Weapon Changes (or lack of changes, mostly)

[Tokoloshi]

@Grey Acumen

RPG
(Rocket will follow laser site based on HL2’s following pattern, instead of HL1. This means that the rocket can be turned completely around.
Secondary fire will still turn Laser site on/off as in HL1)
[COLOR=‘Red’][I have not managed to get a full confirmation on this particular detail yet, but I am assuming that the Rocket will still be able to be fired and travel underwater, as in HL1]

AFAIK the “controllability” of the rpg will be between HL1 and HL2.

@Grey Acumen

Crossbow
(suggestions killed - will NOT be able to pin enemies to walls)

What? Why not? :[

[Lamsey]

That one seems strange to me, the HL: S crossbow does pin enemies to walls. Doubtless the devs have their reasons.

[iKy]

the one in half life 1 it’s a wooden-like one , not performant like in half -life 2 , in reality , it’s a normal crossbow , ever seen a man pinned to a wall coz of a crossbow?

[Ramirezoid]

Wait a minute, the glock in Half-Life would fire real fast if you held down the secondary trigger. And in HLS and HL2 the crossbow can nail people to the walls.

So two minor gameplay features that make the game slightly more fun and are totally do-able will not be included for WHAT reason?

This had better not be official.

[a-dot]

Woah, i was waiting for something like this

[noved]

I like the idea of being able to plant a whole clip of bullets into a zombies head.

[Lamsey]

@iKy

the one in half life 1 it’s a wooden-like one , not performant like in half -life 2 , in reality , it’s a normal crossbow , ever seen a man pinned to a wall coz of a crossbow?

In reality, a crossbow bolt would probably pass straight through a person, wooden or not.

Ramirezoid: the devs make decisions like this for good reasons. They’re aware of all the factors (engine, balance, aesthetics, etc), so I think we can trust them to make the right choices. Saying things like “This had better not be official.” is just going to get people saying “…or what?”.

[iKy]

ye . it’s not like we’re paying them from our pocket money to work on this mod , they can do whatever they ass want

[Wasabi]

The Crossbow is a tranquilzer crossbow. It fires tranquilzer darts. Why can people not understand that small flying syringes don’t pin people to walls?

[Lamsey]

@Wasabi

The Crossbow is a tranquilzer crossbow. It fires tranquilzer darts. Why can people not understand that small flying syringes don’t pin people to walls?

Good point. I’d forgotten that it’s supposedly a tranquiliser gun since it’s used in the game purely as a crossbow (i.e. it doesn’t send the target to sleep like the tranquiliser crossbow in Deus Ex).

[John_Killer118]

You can’t pin enemies to walls?

@Raminator

Although it isn’t and these are largely based on speculation and memories, what are you going to do about it?

Oh, good. There’s hope!

[Grey_Acumen]

Indeed a lot of this was all confirmations by Ram, so knowing how fickle he is about info, it’s possible he was totally lying just to see what type of response there would be to it.

[Defector]

What about if you use the crossbow (Really a tranq gun) and not shoot them in the cranium they lie down for a sec or two and then get up when you least expect it and punch you in the face?! Awesome.

[JamesKane]

@Grey Acumen

RPG
(Rocket will follow laser site based on HL2’s following pattern, instead of HL1. This means that the rocket can be turned completely around.
Secondary fire will still turn Laser site on/off as in HL1)
[COLOR=‘Red’][I have not managed to get a full confirmation on this particular detail yet, but I am assuming that the Rocket will still be able to be fired and travel underwater, as in HL1]

The following pattern is similar to hl2 however we are using the physics engine to simulate its linear and angular movement. Secondary far is like half-life one where you can toggle the laser on and off. The RPG can not be holstered nor reloaded until the rocket is destroyed. The speed has been increased dramatically as well…

@Grey Acumen

Grenades
[COLOR=‘Red’][I can’t remember remember what was confirmed or denied about this, so I’ll just list out what suggestions have been made: 1) Secondary Fire will work like HL2, to allow a grenade to be tossed a shorter distance, or while ducking, rolled across the ground. 2) Primary Fire remains like HL1 where time to blast is counted from initial button press, and not from release and throw. This would allow grenades to be timed to make less time for enemies to run, but would also allow the player to blow themselves up by holding on too long. 3) Grenades that have been thrown can be picked up with the ‘use’ button and thrown as was possible in HL2]

1. Not at the moment, maybe in the future
2. Correct
3. nope

@Grey Acumen

Satchel Charges
[COLOR=‘Red’][I have no idea if this has been confirmed or denied before at all: When Satchels are placed, they can be picked up and moved or picked back up into the inventory by pressing the ‘use’ button on them after they’ve been initially thrown out]

1. Maybe, going to look into this

@Grey Acumen

Crowbar
(suggestions killed - no using secondary for winding up for stronger swing, or for throwing)

Correct

@Grey Acumen

Glock
(suggestions killed - no secondary for autofiring)
[COLOR=‘Red’][I think it was confirmed that the secondary fire would not do anything, which also killed the possibility of having the secondary fire act as another button for the primary fire]

Only an Primary Fire, and yes I sometimes hold down secondary fire expecting it to fire faster, so this may change…

@Grey Acumen

Python
(Secondary fire, which activates zoom and laser site in deathmatch, will not be accessible through single player mode)

Zoom is currently allowed in DM

@Grey Acumen

MP5
(Uses same ammo as Glock instead of having it’s own ammo, as was done in HL2 with the Submachine Gun)

Yep

@Grey Acumen

Assault Shotgun
(Chambers 8 shots, not limited to HL2’s 6 shots)

Correct

@Grey Acumen

Crossbow
(suggestions killed - will NOT be able to pin enemies to walls)

Correct

@Grey Acumen

Gluon Gun
[COLOR=‘Red’][I have not confirmed if the animation triggered by the secondary fire will still be included in BMS. It doesn’t DO anything, but the animation occurs occasionally whenever you hold the secondary fire while holding the gluon gun in HL1]

It has only a Primary Fire and Secondary Fire does nothing

@Grey Acumen

Hornet Gun
(suggestions killed - a wide variety of proposed changes to the hornet gun have been fairly thoroughly crushed. I mourn their loss)

Hornets generally follow their targets and tend to circle around the victim before impacting or exploding. They are physically simulated and act rather interesting…

@Grey Acumen

Trip Mines
(suggestions killed - no secondary fire to allow trip mines to be thrown or tossed out, they must be placed directly against a surface)

Correct

@Grey Acumen

Snarks
(suggestions killed - no secondary fire to allow snarks to be captured if there is room free in the snark hive and snarks are chasing you)

Correct

[JamesKane]

@Ramirezoid

Wait a minute, the glock in Half-Life would fire real fast if you held down the secondary trigger. And in HLS and HL2 the crossbow can nail people to the walls.

So two minor gameplay features that make the game slightly more fun and are totally do-able will not be included for WHAT reason?

This had better not be official.

The glock’s secondary is a gameplay feature that may be changed.
The crossbow pinning is visual eye candy that does not make sense considering the size of the darts.

[Brother_Shrike]

I’m just curious, but can I ask what the rationale was behind not being able to pick up grenades was?

[JamesKane]

Raminator Forced me

[Brother_Shrike]

Nice edit there.

[Defector]

Just as well, I’m sure I’m going to find enough ways to blow myself up as it is. Rocket jumping never works like you would think it would.

[brokenfridgehinge]

Will we be able to see the darts stuck into the target?