Obviously you have no idea what it’s like to go through childbirth. Not saying I do…
No, no Shrike. Do tell.
Oh, yes, because that works out SO well.
But why are we talking about this at all? Once again, for emphasis:
FEDERAL FUNDING OF ABORTION IS ALREADY ILLEGAL!
If you want to weigh the pros and cons of abortion, adoption, etc, please find another thread to do so. This is about the health care bill.
Well said, danielsangeo.
Well, he’s already said that before. It’s just that the people he’s saying that to keep convieniently skipping over it.
That seems to happen in a lot of debate threads. And it always seems to happen when an argument has been systematically shot down…
Curiouser and curiouser…
nobody is ever wrong on the internet. if you prove someone wrong, they will just ignore you, or ban you, or flame you - but don’t expect anyone to ever admit error.
Back on topic, I love how Health Care Reform has empowered Nancy Pelosi to an epic degree. Watching the signing ceremony, she got the single most praise of any lawmaker. The Senate majority leader didn’t even get his name mentioned. Aparrently the backstory is that when the GOP was going apeshit after the MA Senate election, some “advisors” to the president wanted to push the bill even farther to the right, and Pelosi told them to go fuck themselves. The bill didn’t work out great for the Left at all (like I said it’s Romneycare) but I think the process of its passage may have opened some eyes in washington. Hopefully it will embolden the administration to do more good rather than capitulate to the right wing (Dems and GOP) any further.
Lies, I’ve admitted to error a bunch of times!
Also, it seems like the idea of “rugged individualism” still pervades the mindset of many Americans, judging by how the bill was received. Not sure why this is the case, considering how that attitude helped out after 1929…
Pre-med student and clinical volunteer here. I hate it’s getting watered down, but I’ve found myself somewhat excited about the reform, and I hope it comes through partially at the least.
I take a lot of classes that discuss healthcare and global disparities in public health a great deal, and it’s perturbing when you look at the numbers.
The US is ranked beside Croatia in infant mortality rate (IMR is usually a good indicator of a country’s overall health system), and below Singapore (they’re actually really good at healthcare in a multitude of ways, so that’s not a surprising statistic).
But, looking at how we rank between 29th and 30th in healthcare (depending on who’s crunching numbers), under countries like Israel, you start to think maybe something needs to be done. What are these other countries doing with their healthcare? Why are we the richest and most powerful, but a laughing stock in health care to our developed nations peers?
I got into medicine to help people. Not for the money, like most of my peers. I’d be perfectly fine earning a Black Mesa Team salary as a doctor, so long as I knew I was contributing to my human race in a positive way.
Healthcare is a human right, as recognized by the UN’s Declaration of Human Rights (1947). We are also a member of the UN, for a laugh, but do not recognize health as a human right. It is a privilege for those who can afford it, and with insurance companies practices, even people working decent jobs find themselves kicked in the nuts with healthcare too often. When something expensive like pancreatic cancer or disfiguring injury pops up, anyways. And because of this, you see 60% of bankruptcies resulting from health-related issues here in America. (Not sure about that number, I may have misread something).
Speaking of 60’s, roughly 60% of the uninsured work jobs, usually multiple jobs. I can vouch for that, with my volunteer experience at the clinic, and having grown up uninsured with a mother working seven days a week to keep me fed.
But getting out of the emotional hogwash of my life, and looking at the numbers and raw data, it’s a poor disparity that really works against the well-being of our nation (the US). Not to mention an economic nightmare. Pharmaceuticals far exceed profits by your fortune 500’s, and insurance companies have millions of Americans by the balls. And since healthcare is such a commodity, you also see a trend where people neglect preventive care, which in turn leads to huge losses in economic productivity, with estimates in the billions (conservative ones too). But that’s more correlation, not causation, so I don’t think that’s 100% THE DEAL, though something to look at anyways.
This bill isn’t perfect, but it’s the first baby step to something far superior like you see in Europe (or Singapore even?).
We scream that the Constitution’s being raped here, and that we’re taking away something belonging to the people (the choice to healthcare). But when you look at the numbers and statistics, the capitalist system is taking away much more. Human rights and human lives, and ultimately, the quality of life in those lives… which goes on through a chain reaction to effect a whole lot more.
Sources:
https://www.who.int/whr/2008/en/index.html
The PDF for that: https://www.who.int/whr/2008/whr08_en.pdf
https://unstats.un.org/unsd/default.htm
World ranks in IMR and life expectancy: https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/socind/health.htm
nice post!
Agreed! Excellent post, Jamesthedoc. It’s always astonishing to me that people think health care is a “choice”.
So, i heard the bill has to be re-submitted, why is that?
Btw, next time someone complains about universal healthcare being socialist, just remind them that universal schooling is, too.
These people have a problem with that, too. Read all the posts on the “blogosphere” (gawd, how I hate that word) against “public education”.
The thing is: They don’t really mind other socialist things like the interstate highway system, military, police and fire departments… No one seriously suggests that some people are more deserving of police protection than others, yet that’s exactly what I see in this thread of all places in regards to health protection.
And that’s sad.
It’s incredibly closed minded and reflex driven, and shocking to see in a country with so much power.
Not the bill, just the amendments. The package of amendments to the bill had to be slightly rewritten, because Senate rules would have required 60 votes to stop the GOP from preventing a vote on the package. The House is taking out a minor student loan reform clause, and “obsolete language” whatever that is, so that the Senate only needs a 51 vote majority to pass the amendments.
Health Care Reform: done.
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36016267/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
Personally I hope as I said before that this victory gives congressional dems and the White House a bit more sack. Especially since they are allegedly moving on to financial reform when they return from spring recess, which is arguably more important than health care reform was.
:fffuuu:
Oh boy, here we go again.
The nest few years are going to be sooooo much fun!
What’s the problem this time?
fix’d
Health Care has a long way to go before it can be called “reformed”, but it’s a good start.
Not hardly. The more Democrats win, the more insane the far right wing of the Republican party will get. Soon, it just won’t be coffins at congressperson’s homes. > 