The Unofficial Official Chat Thread

Honestly, our election system works quite nicely. Our state urgently needs reform, but our election system isn’t even close to being as corrupted as the American one.

I’m not going to say much more, I can’t keep up with Zen :stuck_out_tongue:

Because dictatorial and one party countries like the Soviet Union and China are less corrupt than ours. It’s stable for a while, that’s for sure with a nice oppressive state security.

With the voting system here in dire need of reform(Thanks everyone for voting no to better choice and politics with the AV referendum btw), I am seriously baffled by how a country of the size of the USA can maintain a happy population politically in the long-run with a First Past the Post voting system; it leads to minority rule and a two-party system(which leads to lack of choice, lack of political freedoms and out casting of those who think differently to the two parties).

We have a multi-party system here, but because the majority of our government is ruled by two leading parties we end up with horrific corruption problems(private sector impeaching on public sector’s services due to changes in law, taking of public money to build island houses for ducks etc.). It also leads to minority rule and a government no one is happy with; because we don’t like the main parties.

The Nazi Party had 3% of the vote in the first election it ran for, this is true, but you’re warping the story. Their support fell in the 1928 elections to 2.6%. They had pretty much no support during these times. But, as the Great Depression hit Germany hard, their support spiked upwards; 18.3% of the vote in the 1930 elections, which is a huge, huge increase from two years prior. Gives you an idea of how desperate these times were in Germany. In 1932, they became the single largest party in the Weimar Republic’s parliament, with 37.3%, and then 33.1%(this dip made them make their move) of votes.
A multi-party system where the head of government is not given absolute totalitarian control in any circumstance is necessary to prevent something similar from happening again.
The Minority rule that I mentioned before though; you can see that clearly in the November 1932 33.1% Reichstag election. It’s a serious problem with first past the post voting; you end up with minority rule and the risk of some wacko that didn’t actually have much support domestically coming to power and overthrowing the democracy that put them in power.

“Doctor Breen again? I thought I’d seen the last of him in City 14.”
“I wouldn’t say that too loud. This is his base of operations.”

Add to that the fact that the depression was caused by the same people who funded Hitler and Stalin, and you’ve got a great recipe for disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

The fact that there are only two parties has most people voting against their own interests: in the GOP, for example, the interests of the Right Wing proper, the wealthy, are economic and tax related, yet support theocratic and social ideas that are often against their own interests, and the Social Conservatives, who are mostly Left Wing but self-identify as Right Wing, support economic and tax policies that are counter to their own interests. The other party is everyone else, and that party is highly factionalized, representing an extremely broad set of interests, as the country is so geographically and culturally diverse.

EDIT: News story regarding the effect of the storm on the election:

https://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/08/15025845-hurricane-sandy-may-have-cost-obama-800000-votes?lite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU&feature=BFa&list=PLqs5ohhass_TF9mg-mqLie7Fqq1-FzOQc

Mixed-Member Proportional Representation is definitely the best system I know of. It’s what we use here in Belgium and most of Europe.

Downside of that system is that when one person becomes so very popular because he’s a jolly, funny, fat bloke, everybody votes for his entire party, despite the fact that the party in question doesn’t even have a program to begin with (other than bitching and complaining about what the others are doing) and is filled with nothing but social outcasts that want to make an easy € by dabbling in politics.

Result: hundreds of incapable rejects in charge of towns all over Flanders and 1 jolly fat bloke in charge of one city.

Then again, I shouldn’t be mad with the party itself, since there’s always a silly one that runs on the fuel of ignorance. I should instead be angry with the roughly 30% that voted for them.

True enough, but I don’t think there’s any system that can account for general ignorance and uneducated votes.

Fuck I’m getting more worried about the election results every day. The fat one is already trying to push on ‘security measures’ (read: suppression and public surveillance).

Not to mention the fucking BAM stuff for the ring around Antwerp.
I live literally about 50m from the ring, so this affects me a great deal :frowning:

Meanwhile in Ghent: chillaxing in one of the last real social-green-progressive bastions of the country.

all the alcohol in the world is within purchase away now
except in most parts of north america

Eh, maybe he’ll keep his hands off Borgerhout. That would be great. We’ve got social-green-progressive representation here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu7jA8EHi_0 mf sweet

Therizinosaurus was one ugly fella.

looks pretty cool

does look a bit like they developed this one feature and just let everything else go, but I guess it’s more a proof of concept than a commercial game anyway

I figured out how to make AutoCAD 2010 look like normal AutoCAD!!! Yay! :smiley:

Do you still have problems with getting gas ?

I believe there’s medicine for that particular problem.

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