I was going to use that as part of my argument, however it’s almost certain that someone will go “Opposing Force/Blue Shift are not Canon lalalalala I can’t hear yoooouuuuu!!!”.
Both have also clearance in most retinal scanners checkpoints so they can use many doors that Gordon can’t. Plus they could use SUV outside, etc.
Sorry, bub, but if Valve says that it’s not part of the storyline, it’s not. Could it have happened that way? Maybe. Does it happen that way? Until Valve retcons anything by another company into the storyline, we’ll have to assume that the Valve storyline is it.
Still, the rest of the science team, as was said, has access that Gordon doesn’t. And they have access to (whether willing or not) portals. Heck, one could open in front of them to the Lambda Core just 1 minute after you leave (if you go back, the portal disappears until you leave again–you can’t prove it doesn’t!)
But, no, the guy in the teleportation room isn’t Kleiner or anyone else of import until Valve says it is.
:fffuuu:
Please give me a quote where someone from VALVe says that. From what I remember, Marc Laidlaw said something along the lines of “The issue of canonicity was made up by the fans”.
And yes, I know canonicity is not a word.
I take the ‘Canonicity’ crap as fact until VALVe say it ISN’T, without a doubt, correct. I’m certainly not going to use the fact they haven’t spoken about it, to shoot down other people’s ideas and form an entire argument on the afforementioned “lalalala can’t hear you” bollocks.
Plus there isn’t anything in Blue Shift/Op4/Decay that ruins any part of the original Half-Life storyline… (Not encoutering Race X could just be the luck of Gordon Freeman.)
That’s strange, because it is.
That’s probably the best way. It’s all down to personal preference, and that’s what people are finding so hard to come to terms with. Valve have repeatedly said that they’re not out to spoil the fans’ fun by saying what is canon and what is not within the Half-Life universe. They’ve basically said that whatever already hasn’t been defined or disconfirmed as canon by Valve in one of their games, the player is free to come to their own conclusion about. They’ve steered clear of defining Opposing Force and Blue Shift in terms of canonicity, so technically they’re both still up in the air.
^ Laidlaw concerning canon, and its probably best to go by that. The general rule of thumb that Laidlaw seems concerned about (and he seems reluctant to give out answers concerning anything to do with canon issues outside of the games), is that mods take care not to conflict with the things that have been confirmed as canon.
Yeah, being canonical is great and all, but when you’re dealing with a company that really doesn’t even care much for their own… what’s the point? I say they don’t care much for their own canon since 1) the valve dev that said which two scientists were Eli and Kliener didn’t seem like he had thought about the idea much and 2) technically, while Eli’s model was correct, Kleiner’s model was that of the administrator scientist (the same one that argues with the G-man in the sound-proofedd room) rather than the scientist model with glasses and a higher pitched voice.
As mentioned above, nothing from BS or OF really contradicts what valve put into their games. It would make sense that they don’t take a stance on it being canonical because they know modders will be far too careful trying to abide by that canon instead of just being creative. People seem to forget that both BS and OF were labeled with both Valve and Gearbox in the developer label area of the box itself. Gearbox was hired BY Valve, and the two companies communicated.
Instead of babbling on about cascades and physics, he’ll run around punching random personnel and lighting small fires, then he’ll spit on Eli and headbutt a zombie.
Actually, that sounds pretty badass.
I know how Eli and kliener escaped! It’s simple when two soldiers walked by they knocked them out and took their uniforms. Then when the troops where pulling out they snuck, a ride on a osprey.
I did not know that. Though I still think that the high-pitched glasses-wearing scientist bears the closest resemblance to the new/current Kliener. When I saw him for the first time in HL2 I thought “oh I remember you!” while thinking of the above mentioned model. If the appearance similarity doesn’t give it away, I think the voices that they tie to the models definitely do.
Though it’s all a moot point I guess since it’s only a variable in an entitity within the original bsp. It’s not as if Valve was planning for Half-Life 2 and said “no! those models must be these specific two!” when designing that area of the game.
hehe - when I first read that I though you said it was the voice and the tie… 
You do realise the voices for all the scientists are done by the same person? Kliener also uses that voice, as a bit of an in-joke by Valve.
BECAUSE THE ELI FUCKIN-VANCE WAS FUCKIN AFRAID TO MOVE THE ISAAC FUCKIN KLEINER DUE TO HIS BLOODY FUCKIN INJURIES.
YOU DON’T FUCKIN GET WELL AFTER 6 FUCKIN HOURS OF FUCKRAWLING THROUGH VENTS AND SNEAKING AROUND ARMED-TO-THE-FUCKIN-TEETH SOLDIERS MOTHERFUCKER!
(Please don’t banana me for using the F word.)
Fix’d.
Why being so upset ? Just tell Wisteso that no, they won’t be in other places and quote the facts.
HL1 NPC’s are generic but in HL2, valve decided to make few of them unique (you can see that on HL2 Raising the bar) :
Black sci : Ely Vance
Glass sci : Isaac Kleiner
security guard : Barney
And if I remember correctly in HL1, Kleiner supposed model was the einstein one, not glass sci. And who did that ennoyed ? Nobody.
BMS will add a young Kleiner model for him and end of story.
Any baseless things to add : STFO ?
I was intentionally overreacting. Thought it might resonate well with the audience here, what with all the sexual references used in posts and so on. Sorry if it seems to you that I’m upset, I’m not.
There’s no problem with swearing here, (within reasonable limits) just as long as you don’t personally attack or insult other members. After all, you can insult someone without using any profanity at all, and I’d still give you an infraction for that, whereas you can also turn the air blue without directly offending anyone - unless there’s someone with a bizarre puritanical aversion to swearing, in which case fuck’em. 
Must be very difficult to find one guy like this these days, especialy here 
@ Alcator
Got no problem with overreaction, totaly natural with trolls spamming up here these days. But I’ve seen many times that kind of method don’t work quite much against braindead trolls and it’s better to use the faqhammer instead.
BTW fuck is great word, can’t stop using it 
And that was worth a 1 week bump?