Straight vs LGBT(Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transexual)

#261

I think what Winged is trying to say is that just because it occurs in nature, doesn’t make it natural. You get animals born with physical birth defects, does that make it natural? As for gay animals adopting babies, is there any hard, documented evidence for this?

Also the other argument that I am seeing and that is really annoying me is the “oh computers aren’t natural so what you’re doing is unnatural”. You cannot compare something that vastly increases communications and ease of life to a sexual orientation. Its comparing apples and oranges. Our brains naturally evolved to enable us to create technology and make humans the dominant species on this planet.

#262

Homosexual mallards often join a female. When she has laid eggs, they drive her away. Obviously the only use they had for her was reproduction, a biological imperative for most animals. Humans don’t have that biological imperative. We choose to have kids, we aren’t born to have kids: therefore, homosexuals are as natural as anyone else.

Also, evolution isn’t an intelligent thing, it’s just emergence. You can’t really talk about it as if it has a purpose.

You don’t get frequent birth defects, but you do get frequent homosexuality. It’s natural.

Computers aren’t natural processes, therefore they are not natural.

Homosexual people are naturally homosexual, therefore they are natural.

It’s not hard to understand.

#263

I wouldn’t call 10-20% frequent but whatever.

Computers were built by humans who’s brains had naturally evolved to give us the ability to build them. You see plenty of examples of tool use among some species of animals. Using computers is simply an advanced from of using a rock to break open a nut, or using a stick to get inside termite nests.

#264

1/5 is pretty damn frequent.

Also, if not computers, what about clothing?

#265

Err, to keep us warm? Does that even need an explanation?

#266

It’s this kind of Irony I tend to cherish.

#267

Hurr durr, they aren’t natural.

#268

Alright, then, Soup. I will concede to your argument.

Not only is homosexuality natural. So are paralysis, Down syndrome, sadism, and blindness. Because we didn’t create these disorders, so it is natural. I believe I said that in my post.

I also suggested we not bring animals into the conversation. They aren’t the same as us in any way. Comparing their behavior to ours is a bit silly. I mean, they also spend most of their time flipped over on their backs in the water looking for fish. How does that relate to us. As you said before it’s like comparing apples to oranges.

And don’t mistake behavior and instinct for defined sexuality. You brought up the topic of giraffes, so I did some research. Turns out many of these homosexual copulations were to show dominance, humiliation, or a simple greeting. That giraffe then usually finds a female.

We don’t usually display these traits because we aren’t giraffes.

#269

Homosexuality is, per definition, not a disorder. Stating something else is either a personal error or a deliberate insult to the homosexual community.

It’s a natural mechanism to provide for any given population of birds or mammals some individuals who are not busy working on their own procreation, so they can help attend to the offspring of others. It’s also a population-regulating element. By not procreating themselves, they reduce the total count of new borns in their population, but provide better chances for the actual new borns to survive. It’s an entirely natural thing and totally makes sense, even for humans.

As I said before, the fact that a homosexual couple doesn’t get their own children makes them able to provide parenthood to children without parents. Or, if they don’t do that, the simple fact that they have no children of their own raises the chances for their neighbor’s child to get a job, a place to live and his or her own family some day. If there is one job and two children from two families, one has to be denied. If there is one job and only one child, because the second family is a homosexual couple, noone gets left out.

It’s not so hard to understand. Homosexuals are a benefit to any given society and should be treated respectfully, not shunned.

#270

Comparing homosexuality with blindness or paralysis and so on is inane. Paralysis and blindness and so on are handicapping. Homosexuality is not a disorder. It’s simply a trait.

To me, homosexuality can ONLY be compared with heterosexuality and bisexuality.

I think the biggest danger here is the arbitrary separation between humans and animals. Winged One, you claim that animals lay on their backs in the water looking for fish and wonders how that applies to humans. They look for fish because they need to eat. Humans need to eat.

I didn’t research giraffes too much but I have researched penguins. And most penguins are monogamous like most humans. Given the choice between a male or a female penguin, the homosexual male penguin will choose another homosexual male penguin and bond for life.

Our behavior is SIMILAR to that of other animals…because we are animals ourselves. We’re primates. Mammals. The separation of humans with other animals is unnatural…and ignorant.

You say you can’t compare humans to giraffes because we’re not giraffes? You’re right. But you can’t compare giraffes to penguins because they’re not penguins. And cats are not dogs. And duckbilled platypi are not koalas. And otters are not zebras (I don’t know many zebras that lay on their back looking for fish). So what? They’re all animals. Like human beings.

I’m glad that you aren’t against homosexuality, Winged One, but try to understand that homosexuality is not a negative or debilitating evolutionary trait. It is simply an evolutionary trait that gives them a DIFFERENT (yet still productive and dare I say “crucial”) role in our species than heterosexuals.

#271

NavMan seems to be the only one that really understands my point, so I’m just gonna be leaving now.

#272

I do see what you’re saying Winged One, that you don’t see it as negative, but looking at it as a defect is negative any way you put it.

Also, it’s not a good thing that Navman agrees with you:

#273

Interesting…I’ll just pretend NavMan never said that, then I have a loyal follower :3

#274

i think the American Psychological Association considers both heterosexuality and homosexuality to be natural, while sexual obsession with something other than the genitalia as unnatural. for example, a man being attracted to another man is normal, but a man liking it when another man puts a hamster in his ass is not normal.

#275

What’s your point?

#276

So my sexual obsession with a woman’s fine ass is not normal, either?

#277

Fuck “normal”. There’s no such thing. “Normal” is simply a word used for comparison and what is normal in one instance is abnormal in another. The only thing that changed with the thing is that it’s being compared to something else.

For example. Put an apple on the table. Then put a pile of oranges on the table. The apple is the abnormal one here because it’s not the majority. Now, sweep off all the oranges except one and pile more apples on the table. Now the original apple is normal. What changed? The category.

Homosexuality is either normal or abnormal, depending on what you’re comparing it to. I’m straight. I was on a trip to see friends and a bunch of us were together in a hotel conference room. Half of us were gay and half of us were straight. Half of the straight people then left to go to a restaurant but I stayed behind (we had ordered a pizza). Since I was now in the minority, I was the abnormal one.

Screw “normal”. It doesn’t mean a thing to be “normal”. It just means that you’re the member of the majority of a specific grouping.

For those that think that you HAVE to be “normal” to be a member of society? They’re the abnormal ones.

#278

Unless the majority thinks likewise :retard:

But seriously, you’re absolutely right. I’d rather not be “normal” if “normal” people are totally lame and wrong about everything.

#279

Humans are not mallards.

Edit: Do they actually “get busy” or do these ducks simply show brotherly/sisterly (read:close, not sexual friend) affection?

#280

No shit, Sherlock. My point was that it’s a natural phenomenon.

Also, what do you think? Of course they “get busy”. You don’t get BFF’s in nature.

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