Socialism vs. Capitalism

Danson: Reminds me of Crimebuster from Heartbeeps. :slight_smile:

Just because you call something one way doesnā€™t make it that way. Way too many people say ā€œI love youā€ when in fact their feelings are closer to ā€œI fancy youā€. Similarly, I suspect that what you call ā€œa desire to workā€ is not actually ā€œa desire to workā€. Maybe you are addicted to the chemical reactions in your body associated with certain phases of your work, such as when you ā€œsolve somethingā€ or ā€œare appraised for your performanceā€. But ā€œdesire to workā€? As in ā€œI desire to exhaust my energy reservesā€?

Please try to read again what I wrote before ā€“ evolution/invention are driven by attempts to make life easier. And we are able to temporarily work really hard in order to achieve something that we consider important, but the most prevalent reason why we consider something important is that it makes our lives easier, such as by acquiring a social status that will provide us with ever-present protection by others, or acquiring a suitable life partner who will support us should we get into trouble or be injured or illā€¦

Even creative workers (artists) are most probably not driven by ā€œdesire to workā€, but by desire to experience again the pleasant feelings associated with the completion of a piece of art. Somewhere deep within, they hope that if they work really hard, they will reach a position where money or ā€œgirlzā€ will no longer be an issueā€¦

Well stated, MysticJ. I share your opinion on that.

Iā€™m sorry, MysticJ, but I donā€™t understand what you would consider a ā€œdesire to workā€ then.

Personally Iā€™m sort of a centreist, I donā€™t really agree with socialism or capitalism. People who actively earn their fortune should be allowed to keep it but people who earn millions just through inheritence or something similar should be taxed.

Eater: The problem with that position is that absolutely no one is a ā€œsuccessā€ all by themselves. It is impossible. Many thousands of people helped in ways unimaginable. Beginning at birth (and even BEFORE birth) with government helping to regulate health procedures, all the way up to shipping and receiving and contract law in big business. Throughout oneā€™s entire life, the big evil SOCIALIST! government that canā€™t do anything right, helping them every step of the way.

Sorry, but it is my not-so-humble opinion that only those that take themselves wholly ā€œoff-the-gridā€ and become a hermit can call themselves an ā€œindividualistā€.

Thatā€™s exactly it ā€“ there is no such thing as ā€œdesire to workā€. A desire to work would mean that no matter how hard or easy, repetitive or changing, short or long, work youā€™re told to perform, youā€™d feel positive, satisfying emotions.

But thatā€™s not it, right? You probably like to work the way you do, but itā€™s not because of the work itself but because of the results ā€“ be it money, appraisal, creation, feeling of accomplishmentā€¦

Which leads me to ask what you mean by the term ā€œdesireā€ then. I want to know what your definition of it is because it seems to be different from what the dictionary says.

Kinda

Only not.

If the blue dude was holding the gun for capitalism it would be more accurate, at least.
And the blue dude would be holding a second bag of money while handing the first one over under socialism, while the red dude would be handing both bags over under capitalism.
That would still be pretty fucking stupid though.

Its a meaningless image. Just ignore it.

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