So Mininova is Dead ?

I know the thread has moved on significantly but…what? Stem cell research has nothing to do with the killing of human zygotes that were destined for anything else other than the trashcan. Advocates for the scheme are hardly holding guns to womens’ uterii and threatening to pull the trigger unless they give up their unborn child. Most of the stem cells for such a scheme would come from the discard piles from IVF clinics. All I see neigh-sayers doing is discriminating against paraplegics by depriving them a chance to use all their limbs again.

Adult stem cells may be adequate for some purposes, but I think its a bit naive to say that one is a complete replacement for the other; depriving scientists the opportunity to fully explore the field means that any potential gains are automatically lost, and your theory becomes self-serving (since embryonic stem cells never get to do anything because nobody is allowed to research them, whereas adult stem cells are developed far beyond what embryonic stem cells can achieve).

There’s some similarities to Ghost in the Shell: SAC (1st Gig), but not nearly on that scale (yet…).

Yeah, and that’s the problem with making statements like “all pirates are stealing”, because its not true in all cases. Everyone is different, and everyone’s motivations for ‘stealing’ are different, regardless of what some people seem to think.

I did a year of Criminology at uni, and one of the examples that we were given was that of stealing a car. Now, people have a lot of different reasons for stealing a car, but from a top-down perspective (i.e. law makers) all people care about is the fact that a crime has been committed (and the motive has little bearing on how the crime is viewed, at least in the community). Now, from a bottom-up perspective, there are actually a lot of reasons why people might steal a car; some steal them for subsistence (i.e. they need it to survive); some steal them for shits and giggles (i.e. joy-riding); some steal them as initiation into gangs; others steal them because they recognise that they can never own one, but society pressures them into ‘obtaining’ one through other means.

The overall message is this: Viewing people as merely ‘criminals’ ignores the more subtle nuances that explain their behaviour, and means that it becomes extremely difficult to apply any kind of effective solution. Unless the actual causes of piracy are addressed (e.g. over-pricing, stupid copy protection, lackluster quality, availability, etc) then we’re doomed to continue through this ridiculous copy protection game of hoop-jumping, where non-pirates are forced to comply with ridiculous regulations while those who download games can subvert them completely.

But the question is: If they don’t want to spend their $50 given that they can download the game, would they spend it if they couldn’t? If the answer is no, then there is no loss. If yes, then your point stands.

However, this comes back to what I was talking about before. If you (as in, an officious bystander) regards all pirates as the same, then you seriously distort the picture of what you’re dealing with. As soon as we all recognise that people have different motivations for pirating and that they all require different solutions, the sooner we can move on.

An obvious solution to those suffering from economic lethargy would be to either reduce the price of said games, or make it comparatively impractical (i.e. incentivise buying the game by making it impractical to download) to download. Either way, you actually get them to spend their money, rather than just hoarding it to spend on other things that they can’t download, like bread or electricity bills.

Yeah, DRM CAN suck, but from my experience, I never had a problem with it. I get most of my games from Steam, GoG, or Direct 2 Drive, so I don’t have to worry about excessive DRM.

I really can’t give any sympathy for anyone who purchased a bad game and can’t return it, because I never had that problem. Every game I bought I read reviews for, watched gameplay videos of, and looked for % off sales.
For example, I got STALKER 1 for $5 thanks to a Direct 2 Drive sale. After realizing how awesome the game is, I’m defiantly going to get the other two games, full priced, after I beat the first game and get the money.
I took a gamble and bought Brutal Legend for $60 (NEW!) based on the concept alone. I beat it in less than a week and have not regretted buying the game at all.

Though I have to admit, ROMS and Emulations of old school consoles/games are fucking awesome! I’m playing english translated versions of Metal Gear 1 and 2 using the blueMSX emulator.
If I ever get a gamepad, I need to play Zelda:OoT with that cell shaded graphics patch!
Yeah, I know it’s piracy, which is why I’m not going to justify it.
I’m scum, you’re scum, we’re all scum.

Oh no? I downloaded ubuntu with a torrent.

And I’m sure we all plan to torrent BM once it’s released. It goes back to what I was saying a few pages ago - torrenting itself isn’t wrong or illegal. It’s only when you download in a way that violates DRM where you run into legal problems.

Oh, you. :wink:

You’re the best Cockroach in recent memory.

I see it this way:

A looong time ago (about 6 years ago), I wanted to try out Halo, since it was (from what I read at the time and heard) like the shinning beacon of FPS excellence. I had no allowance (there was no way in hell I ended up with an allowance anyway) and no way to make money. So, I do what I did a lot in those days and went to ISOhunt and downloaded it.

Long story short, it has the first FPS that made me feel actually sleepy. The genericness of that game was something I never encountered before and the gameplay was so monotonous that I threw the game to ground in disgust.
Then I think to myself: “What if I had bought it? I would’ve lost money that I had to work for, and only get a mediocre product”. (ACHTUNG! DISCLAIMER: If you like Halo, great, and good for you. It’s my opinion on the matter).

What I’m trying to say is, piracy is one of the ways (or THE way at least here in Chile, from what I know there are no rentals here) to know if you want to play a game. Take for example my brother. He downloaded all the CnC games up to CnC 3, and guess what? He bought them all afterwards. Same here with me, I downloaded all of the HL games (yes, including portal, yes, shame on me) and know I want to collect the entire series. I’m looking foward to have Half-life on my Steam account. In the end, at least for me, I felt that VALVe deserved my money, along with iD software (for the Doom series).

Again, thats the way I see it. If you call yourself a fan of a videogame, you could at least give the developers the money that you consider they deserve.

aaaa shit, clicked reply intead of edit

DELETE THIS

First of all, Halo is awesome. Second of all, play the fucking demo.

Edit: You know what, I’m wasting my time here. You’re all a bunch of fucking idiots.

Haha

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HAHAH HAHAH HAHAHA HAHAH HAHAHAHAH I CAN ONLY TYPE ANNOYING LAUGHS RATHER THAN TRY TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT ARGUMENT/RESPECT SOMEONE’S PERSONAL OPINION OF A GAME AHAHA HAHAHAHAH AHA!!!

Atleast you can admit it.

But seriously, we’re all a bunch of fucking idiots because we do not have the same opinion as you?

I meant on the issue of Piracy.

This belief is the crux of the issue, really. Some people believe that they deserve something regardless of whether they can pay for it or not, while others believe they only deserve what they’ve worked to get.
I suppose the former belief is why the US is in this financial mess, really. But that’s a completely different subject.

You’re too kind. :slight_smile:
Honestly, I’ve lurked here long enough to probably be a bloody Vort if I’d been posting.
WHICH IS WHAT ALL NEW USERS SHOULD DO BEFORE POSTING.

The fact that this is still going on completely blows my mind.

I know. It’s obvious that Piracy is ruining PC gaming and piraters need to stop and get a job like every other person in society.

So because we don’t share an opinion on a certain matter we’re all fucking idiots?

Not all pirates are greasy fat losers with no jobs in their parents basements or the ~*scum of society like you’d like to think.

I think the discussion about whether piracy is right or wrong is rather pointless.

Even if you think its 100% negative, that won’t stop it from existing. The industry has to embrace this notion and look for ways to take advantage of piracy, rather than saying “its WRONG, WRONG, ILLEGAL, BAD, etc.”

Yes there are. I know. :expressionless:

But still, wanting the product doesn’t make you deserve it, I don’t see how that is so hard to believe.

How do you propose that the game industry “embraces pirating”?

Do you even know of what you’re trying to get at?

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