September 11 Quran Burning

#181

Oh yeah, Snatch is a great movie! :slight_smile:

Right, just because I’m prejudiced toward certain ethnic group that must mean that I want to put them all into an oven. And if peaceful coexistence was so easy, we would have a Utopian society a long time ago - turning your left cheek when someone strike you in the right one just doesn’t work (and is stupid as hell btw). These “negative stereotypes” can, in some situations, save your arse - people raised in the similar environment tend to act similar. If you don’t agree with me, I dare you, try to go alone through a gypsy district late at night, I wonder if you’ll still have your cash and celly with you in the end.

Oh, it’s not? I think as long as I live in my own country I have the right to decide who should be allowed to let in and who should not. I assume you don’t leave your house open when you’re out. The perfect law would allow to immigrate only for well-educated people (regardless of ethnicity, you know) - unfortunately law is not perfect.

Thank you for your kind permission :wink:

I feel really insulted right now. I hope it was just a filthy provocation.

#182

What possible use do prejudices have? Judge someone before even interacting with them? That’s just plain silly.
If you’re walking down a dark alley and you see a group of men standing around, does it matter if they’re white or black or whatever? You’ll be scared either way.

I live in a neighbourhood that is widely thought to be very dangerous, but it’s really not.

Also I never said peaceful coexistence is easy. That doesn’t mean that racism and discrimination don’t have an adverse effect on it though.

I was talking about people already living there, legally, without breaking any laws. As long as they’re living there legally and don’t break any laws, no, it’s none of your fucking business. Except for your right to complain, of course.

Also, I don’t see why you have more of a right to live where you do than anyone just because you were born there. The world isn’t yours or your goverment’s, the world is here for everyone.

#183

Seba, you’re saying that stereotypes can help you every once in a while. I’m guessing you mean something like if I’m in a poor city district at night and I see a group of black people huddled around with their pants low, I should avoid them. The thing I disagree with is the fact that your posts are insinuating we should avoid them because they’re black and wear their pants low, when we should really avoid them because they’re in a poor district late at night.

And the accusation wasn’t directed at anyone in particular, I just absolutely fucking hate racism and discrimination.

#184

that’s pretty much what I meant with the dark alley

#185

The difference is that you don’t own the country where you live in, while you do own your house. So that wasn’t a good analogy.

#186

no you don’t. and it’s not YOUR country. it’s a country you were born in out of sheer luck, whether the luck is good or bad. you have no claim to it and you have no right to say who is or isn’t allowed in.

#187

Except our laws say differently. Deal with it.

#188

Before I’ll answer I must stress that I’m NOT a defender of racism. I wouldn’t even consider my aversion towards immigrants as racism, but as I see many people on this forum for some reason do (that why I wrote “and even if it is” btw, in a meaning “and even if you consider it is”).

So, answering your question, in my country there is almost no black people, so it’s hard to imagine such a situation for me - It is a lot easier to imagine that I would be scared from my fellow citizens. However, if such a situation would happen in some future, I would be really pissed off, because this could be easily avoided by restricting the immigration law (hopefully the immigration law in my country is good at present).

That’s not the point. Peaceful coexistence in most cases cannot be achieved by loosening the law, only by restricting it. If unwanted immigration is an impulse for such a law restriction then I don’t see anything wrong in it.

If the immigrants were so peaceful and wouldn’t break any law we wouldn’t have this conversation, wouldn’t we?

Are you serious?!? Have you EVER read any history book? There was always division on groups of people (i.e. nations), and there was always fight for territory; oh, and if you haven’t noticed, most maps have these funny lines between plains and highlands, those aren’t there for no reason - possession of land by a populace is something natural. So yes, as a member of my nation I feel I have the right to opt for decisions that have an impact on the society I leave in.

I, personally, don’t, but we, as a nation, do! I think that this analogy is perfectly fine.

#189

This is the problem I have with your post. You’re stating that the reason immigrants should be kept out of the country is because they aren’t peaceful and break laws, when
a] it would be absurd to suggest that them breaking laws is any worse than citizens of your country breaking laws, which happens anyway. they have as much a “right” to break laws as you do and
b] you’re classifying illegal immigrants as lawbreakers, or at the very least insinuating that there’s enough lawbreakers among illegal immigrants that they have less of a right to live in your country than you do

edit: i’m not saying thats the point you’re intending to get across, I’m saying thats the impression your post gave me

#190

that’s all very nice and all, but unfortunately has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. you don’t own your country. other people have just as much of a right to it as you do.

#191

So the ideal government to you is a fascist police state?

Yes we would, because of GENERALIZATION and PREJUDICES. Immigrants don’t break laws any more than natives.
When an immigrant does it, though, it gets blown out of proportion and is seen as an example of how bad these foreigners are.

Have you? There was no such thing as immigration laws until well into the twentieth century.

Yes, and this division and these fights for territory were by and large caused and lead by the leaders of a people, i.e. a king, a tribal elder, whatever. These things happen because of power play, on which the general populace has rarely had any real impact.

#192

And you think that as a nation, every citizen of your country has exactly the same opinion on who should be allowed to enter and who shouldn’t?

#193

And why not? It worked in City 17. [COLOR=‘Black’](It’s safer here.)

#194

Good point.

#195

City 17 got blown up…

#196

those damn human foreigners

#197

The 1870s is not well into the 20th century. Just sayin’.

#198

Ok I was off by about half a century. Not really a long period in human history.

#199

Just being technical. Have to use my American History knowledge for something. Although, before that, immigrants were hardly accepted in society and had limited options.

#200

By some left-wing scientist elite type that wasn’t even a citizen!

Wait, I’m confused. What was I defending again?

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