No, you consider them Human because they are near universal. They are near universal because they were spread by religion. In the case of the founding fathers they were spread by Christianity.
Does it really matter if your country was created with religious values? I think what matters is whether or not you agree with those values and if they discriminate someone or treat everyone as equals.
For instance, I believe that Jesus was a very good person. IIRC the Roman people believed murder was something more or less normal, e.g. the murder of gladiators for entertainment. It was because of what Jesus said that that mentality changed up to the point that today, in law, the only thing that justifies murder is self-defense.
And, before you mention, I know about the mass murders made by Catholic Church, but my point still stands, things can always go both ways.
Yes, sad, that’s the word I had in my mind. There are some people so fixed in their beliefs that they lose their ability to judge by themselves. They can’t even understand what is going on in their own minds. When that happens it is hard to do anything about that from outside.
I could also suggest that you talk to her, but now it seems to be a moot point. Anyways, I wish you better luck on your next job or whatever you are doing next 
How sad. But it’d be sadder if that ignorance actually had an effect on anything. Today in this day and age, it does not. Religion is irrelevant.
I agree with Tiki.
Isn’t it weird that in this time where there are many more Atheists (percentage) than before in history (apart from before civilisation!) in the western world, there is a lot less brutality, im talking about British history which is all I know of… They cut your tongue out if you could talk… I should go find some evidence, but you should do it yourself if you care xD
Not very influential my speech but nvm 
I’m just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Its what I do.
Although it must be said that however much you wish for religion to become irrelevant, it isn’t. If a vast majority of the people on this planet have a religion, it can hardly be classified as irrelevant. Outdated and worthless, perhaps, but not irrelevant.
If in any decision or measurement religion is not irrelevant, you are performing an act of zealous discrimination subject to predisposed opinion.
Saying “we need to be sensitive to the interests of the region’s Sunnis” is a continuation of “the war against Islam” by applying religious generalization to a factor demographic. The only way to calm worries that a war in the Middle East is a “holy war” is to finally applaud & adhere-to the ignorance of religion.
Will the religiousless policy be marred by a short-term spike in religious attacks? Sure, but it will drop when the world begins to finally understand something’s being done as raw politics.
The disposition of a religious tyrannical state in favour of stable democracy pure and simple… if you don’t observe tyranny as also being religious, perhaps people will stop blowing themselves up to prevent you. Why blow yourself up when the thing you oppose is not religious, and simply a better life and government?
To run for President of the United States, if you’re going to pander to any demographic in terms of their religion, you’re establishing a preference for that demographic. To say you like Israel (to appease the Jews), that you believe in protecting family values against liberty (a typical right-wing Christian position), that we need to be sensitive to the cultural facets of the society we’re invading (to warm hippy-hearts and the minds of local Muslims alike), establishes preference which will hasten the non-preferred causing needless strife.
The current president got caught trying to distance himself from a demographic that’s looked down on (muslim) by aligning himself with some pastors and churches of the country’s common faith.
Oops, the pastor’s crazy.
He wouldn’t have had that strife if he had the policy of saying “religion has never been a deciding factor in my life” or something similarly suave. And you know what? He would never have been thought of as Muslim by the pissy Pentacostals, lunaic Lutherans, and prepubescent Presbyterians if he had the simple guts to say “Fuck religion”. “No evil conspiring muslim would allow himself to say such a thing,” so would think the tempermental templars.
Actually, it appears that human values pre-dates religion (Christianity, anyway). The Code of Hammurabi, for instance, has something that could be construed as a moral code.
I know, I’m just saying that since then Religion has been a conduit for those values, and has modified them somewhat. I’m just saying that this was how our founding fathers received them.
Also, Tiki, religion is just not irrelevant. As I said a vast majority of the World believes in a religion. This in itself makes it relevant. Its importance may have diminished, but it remains part of many of our (collective term for humanity) decision making processes.
religion should be irrelevant
the fact that it isn’t for most people takes away a bit of my faith in humanity tbh
I think religion is relevant for cultural sake, you can’t and shouldn’t try to enforce people to have or not to have religion, it’s part of their culture. It should not be relevant for legal sake, and, in most countries, it is not. Now, religion should specially be irrelevant for moral sake (i.e. how people judge or treat each other), and that is where society fails. That makes me sad.
BTW, I hope Medevilae’s father does not read this, but I think what he did is very immature. Making your own child sign a paper, threatening to remove the PC from him if he doesn’t?
Oh, well, nevermind.
… I guess “god” means “religion”. IIRC, religions exist before civilization itself, and therefore before law. I could be wrong, though.
Although it should be noted that odds are these “Gods” were invented to make the laws have more magnitude. The origins of morality come, I suspect, largely from humans nomadic past when as they began to form tribes they needed to obey such guidelines or die.
i’m fairly sure they were created to explain natural phenomena that were beyond understanding at the time. much like “god” now, who is becoming increasingly more useless as time goes on. i am confident that one day, our “god” will be looked on much like we look on ancient greek, roman, and egyptian gods. creative people trying to explain things that humanity at the time didn’t understand.
Oh and as someone said the U.S wasn’t “founded on Christan values” as claimed, but on the ideals of the Enlightenment, which was marked by the questioning of traditional Catholic values and dogmas. The values the Catholic Church preached at the time were largely different from the ones it preaches today, as religion has this nifty little tendency of changing their mind on key subjects of their “beliefs” when society in general begins to question the legitimacy of said values.
You’ve got to be kidding me if you believe they’ve always defended freedom of religion. Ever heard of the Crusades?
… I thought that was the reason all gods were invented 
BTW, interesting that the “Code of Hammurabi” was (allegedly) also received by some god, because that’s also what happened with Moses.
What does that have to do with anything? The US has always been protestant.
Okay, here’s the deal:
The United States is a secular nation with a majority Christian population. Sound good?
Works for me.
What does it remain relevant to? Anything immediately affected by the acknowledgement of religion has the long-term effect of perpetuating religious violence, conflict, and discrimination.
^ That makes it relevant, i.e. you can’t ignore religion because it can cause problems.
Relevant does not always mean positively relevant.
That said, religion in itself is not bad. The problem are people that misuse it to do “bad things”, either to obtain power or just because they are literally crazy. On the other side, there are a lot of NGOs formed mostly or even entirely by religion folks. All associations, organizations or whatever I’ve heard of are based on some religion.
Yes, I know religion usually obfuscate its participant’s own conscience and opinion, but it is also a very effective method to bring people together for a purpose that, in general, makes the society better.
It is the way of the forums.