PC vs. Mac

[Jingles]

Maybe, but don’t mac’s let you add more HDDs and RAM? They are built to last too and they do not really get that slow.

[OldDirtyBastard]

My point is this; people who don’t have much money and/or don’t run anything very resource intensive don’t like how slowly their computer runs. They don’t want to buy a new computer because that is expensive and a hassle so instead they buy some RAM and install or have a local pc shop install it. Now their computer runs a little faster and will probably be usable for a year or two more for only about 50 dollars.

This very iMac is 4 years old and is still bullet fast running Snow Leopard w/ Adobe CS4, C4D and Maya. Period.

Off-topic and irrelevant.

Oh well, you are a little hypocrite as well.

Yes, but it is not that useful when you already have a start bar so it’s only remaining use is eye-candy.

For windows? No shit.
And I’d also have dock over start bar anytime.

Clarity means the point I am trying to make is clear. Perhaps you are having trouble with my logic? I am saying that many mac users don’t know much about computers. That’s not because of the commonly held belief that macs are easier for people who don’t understand computers, but because people who don’t know much about computers can be fooled into buying a bad computer by clever convincing ads myths and a pretty looking but not necessarily good interface.

There is no logic in your posts, only nonsense made up by yourself, including above quoted. Seriously all of your “hu-hu-hu, mac has a cool marketing campaign so only fools buy its products” is absolute inane childish bullshit.

“Are you capable of reading”, and “what are you, 12?” are insults, not arguments, they suggest that you are posting not because you want to debate, but simply because you like bashing other people and their beliefs.

As I said before, if you do not consider my personal experiences/opinions valid then look at my other arguments.

Ok, listen up, garthbartin. For three posts already, all I do is pointing out that your “arguments” hold absolutely no reason or logic to them, are not convincing by iota and are, in fact, blatant hateful lies. If you got butthurt in the process, it’s none of my interest.

That is what we are debating. I believe that casual mac users buy macs not because they are better for them, but because, being casual users, they don’t know a lot about computers and choose the pretty well advertised fad computer rather than the useful cheaper and better computer.

I’ve already said everything.

EDIT:

When it comes to choice in programs, pc wins.

Which is absolutely wrong. All high-end mainstream programs are cross platform. Plus there is a shitton more freeware apps which are much better than their windows counterparts.

Some say macs have better music editing programs and such, perhaps that is true, I don’t know. So maybe in one or two artistic fields mac wins, I don’t completely know because I have never used mac’s video editing and music editing programs.

I’m afraid you don’t know much more then that.

But I have used Iphoto and I can tell it is counter-intuitive and unnecessary for anything other than very basic image editing.

iPhoto was made for basic image editing. Photoshop is available on mac.

[Bolteh]

This just in. Autodesk is bringing AutoCAD back to the Mac.

Is it me, or is Windows losing its “exclusives”? Steam pops up, quite a few game developers follow Valve and are starting to port/develop for Mac. Now AutoCAD is joining the party at Jobs’ place. I expect quite a few of design agencies/architects/engineers to drop their PC’s all together and go for Mac.

If only Adobe would come back to Mac :<[/SIZE]

[Maxey]

The way I see it, Windows and Mac will eventually merge into a single OS that is both fancy looking and easy to use, and supported by the great majority of software developers.

[loony636]

@danielsangeo

You couldn’t search in Windows prior to Vista?!

Well you COULD, but Spotlight/Search Bar is a billion times faster than a standard search.

@danielsangeo

Also to bring in Mac people. I never use it because it clutters my desktop.

My point is that Windows introduced exactly the same feature. Like, exactly the same one. Except that Gadgets clutter up your desktop, whereas Dashboard doesn’t.

@danielsangeo

Install unapproved-by-Apple products.

I’m sorry, but this is just wrong. The best example I can think of is PCSX, Mupen64 and SixtyForce. If you are telling me that Apple officially sanctioned emulators to run on Mac, then please provide me with some evidence, because I would be extraordinarily surprised.

@danielsangeo

My question remains: What can Macintosh do that Windows can’t?

Nothing particular, but I prefer the way it does all the things it does.

@garthbartin

First of all, wait what??? Windows 7 has a dock? I’m unaware of it.

…Okay, stop being a dick. Look at the bottom of your screen. That little bar across the bottom with little icons of programs. That, right there, is a dock.

@garthbartin

If I’m using something, I want it to be fullscreen. On osx there is no dedicated fullscreen button. The green button always switches between to sizes, neither of which are necessarily fullscreen so I have to painstakingly move the windows and drag the edge until it is fullscreen.

The point of the green plus button is to fill your screen with all of the content in the window; its aimed to stop filling your desktop with unnecessary dead space from programs. If you’re upset about that, it can be fixed in about 5 minutes. I personally don’t really care, but Cinch is a nice added bonus.

@garthbartin

Gadgets are the same as a dock, not that useful, there solely for eye-candy.

That, to me, is a key difference between Mac and Windows. Dashboard on a Mac is part of my workspace. It has a widget for my WakeonLan program, and two twitter feeds that I maintain for two different groups. It provides seamless access to programs that I don’t have to spend time finding and loading. If on Windows it is merely a gimmick, then surely that is an argument against Windows and for Mac.

The Dock, as well, is a key part of the Mac workspace. Of course, if you hate it, then you can change it to keep it minimised all the time and just have shortcuts on your desktop and the Apps folder pinned to the dock in list mode to find all your favourite programs. I just don’t think many people hate it, and its actually functional and useable. I rarely go anywhere near my Apps folder.

@garthbartin

lol. I did say many are, but it was not an insult, it was part of a logical argument, that many people buy macs because they don’t know much about computers and as a result fall for Steve Job’s clever advertising.

HA! Sure sure. You’re the one who called Australia “ass-backwards” for not being important enough to enter into the Zune’s distribution market. You, my friend, are an ad hominem personified.

[OldDirtyBastard]

Oh, I made him shut the fuck up. Finally.
Also, props to loony for mentioning Cinch. Installed it - fucking awesome.

Well you COULD, but Spotlight/Search Bar is a billion times faster than a standard search.

not faster, just quicker and more ergonomical.

If only Adobe would come back to Mac :<

They have not discontinued the whole mac suite.

[danielsangeo]

Me: “What can Macintosh do that Windows can’t?”
loony636: “Nothing.”

/thread

[OldDirtyBastard]

@danielsangeo

Me: “What can Macintosh do that Windows can’t?”

Me: quick look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfnAr4k4bGE&feature=fvsr
And it really is what it is. Quick look. Slap the space bar and voila.
Stop being fucking homosexuals.

[danielsangeo]

So, what, exactly, is that doing?

[OldDirtyBastard]

Have you watched the video?
It succeeds where Windows’ preview pane fail: instant previewing. New finder even plays (literally) icons.

[danielsangeo]

I’m sorry, but my preview pane shows instant previewing.

[OldDirtyBastard]

@danielsangeo

I’m sorry, but my preview pane shows instant previewing.

Yet it’s functionality isn’t comparable to finder’s quick look in any way.
And quick look has always worked flawlessly while many Vista and 7 users still have complaints about preview pane.

[danielsangeo]

I don’t see how its functionality is any different than the preview pane (which has always worked flawlessly for me).

[OldDirtyBastard]

I’ll go and say that I know better. Period.

[danielsangeo]

If you say so. :rolleyes:

[garrthbarrttinn]

@loony636

…Okay, stop being a dick. Look at the bottom of your screen. That little bar across the bottom with little icons of programs. That, right there, is a dock.

[COLOR=‘Red’]That is NOT a dock. Let me dig up the article I mentioned a while ago. Okay here it is: Why the startbar isn’t a dock. If you care to read this it is a very lengthy article explaining in-depth why windows 7’s startbar is not a dock.

The point of the green plus button is to fill your screen with all of the content in the window; its aimed to stop filling your desktop with unnecessary dead space from programs. If you’re upset about that, it can be fixed in about 5 minutes. I personally don’t really care, but Cinch is a nice added bonus.

[COLOR=‘red’]How do I change it because I’d like to do so on my mom’s macbook. It just doesn’t feel neat or useful to me not to have a windows you are focused on to take up the entire screen.

That, to me, is a key difference between Mac and Windows. Dashboard on a Mac is part of my workspace. It has a widget for my WakeonLan program, and two twitter feeds that I maintain for two different groups. It provides seamless access to programs that I don’t have to spend time finding and loading. If on Windows it is merely a gimmick, then surely that is an argument against Windows and for Mac.

[COLOR=‘red’]The dock is useful on mac, solely because it lacks a startbar. Many of the functions on the mac toolbar at the top are either usually used with right-click, by an in-program toolbar or by the taskbar. The startbar is far more useful than toolbar+dock because the windows 7 startbar has many features of a dock, you can go to all programs and quickly access any program you have installed, you can uninstall any program from all programs, you can pin items to the start window (or whatever you would call the thing that pops up when you click on start), you can use jumplists which allow you to see recent sub programs/songs/videos etc. to a pinned program and you can pin those recently used sub-things. For example in steam I have most of my games pinnned to the jumplist. I can also get to steam Library, friends, etc. quickly through the jumplist. And all of this is done without excessive cluttering (unless you have tons and tons of programs in all programs in which case you can delete the shortcuts to ones you never use). The dock in osx gives you something to pin some of your favorite programs which quickly clutters if you have a lot of things you want to shortcut.

HA! Sure sure. You’re the one who called Australia “ass-backwards” for not being important enough to enter into the Zune’s distribution market. You, my friend, are an ad hominem personified.

[COLOR=‘Red’]I believe if you take that in context it will be clear it was a joke. And if it isn’t clear from context, I did intend it as a joke.

PS, no ODB, you did not make me STFU, I’ve simply decided to ignore you. Our argument became both of us repeating the same points over and over and you throwing in insults so there was no point in continuing it.

[OldDirtyBastard]

:lol: It’s evident that you simply haven’t a leg to stand on anymore, so you left like a little bitch.
The only person you have now here to try and brainfuck is loony, since he clearly isn’t capable to defend his points properly.

Whatever, kid, I didn’t see your stupid face around here for quite a while, so I’m satisfied.

@danielsangeo

If you say so.

See how fast two reasonable people can agree

[Jeannotvb]

Look what Mac vs PC discussions can do to people!

[OldDirtyBastard]

I am still trying to comprehend why this abomination even exists.

[Maxey]

@Maxey

PC’s are for fags.

Macs are for fancy fags.

Linux is for alternative fags.

There you have it.

So yeah, everyone’s a fag.