PC vs. Mac

[danielsangeo]

@loony636

Yes? Have you ever heard of MacPorts? Or, like, every program released that isn’t Apple branded?

MacPorts is extremely limited in what it can do. And is run by Apple.

Now this is where I’d like to see some examples. In Windows 7, Windows adopted the Dock which has been in Mac for the last decade.

To appeal to Mac people. It added no functionality that wasn’t already in Windows for a decade.

In Vista, they brought in the search bar, which is the same as Spotlight.

You couldn’t search in Windows prior to Vista?!

Same with Gadgets, for which the equivalent Dashboard has been around since 2005.

Also to bring in Mac people. I never use it because it clutters my desktop.

Restrictions with WHAT? I have a Macbook Pro and there is absolutely nothing I would like to do with it that I can’t already do or cant very easily gain the capacity to do (and no, that doesn’t include installing Windows).

Install unapproved-by-Apple products.

A lot of arguments against Mac, I find, are based in the anti-Mac rhetoric of the last decade (i.e. the 90s). Any restrictions that were had because of Apple’s restriction of software development or the PowerPC architecture are gone, and as such there’s just so much you can do on the platform. Games weren’t on the platform in the past because it wasn’t a priority for game developers, but Starcraft II is coming out and with the recent Steam port, there’s bound to be a slew of games and mods coming out for the Mac which will rapidly shrink the gap. Its not the same, but since I would never buy or recommend anyone to buy a Mac as a gaming computer, there’s no loss.

A lot of arguments against Windows, I find, are based on a pack of lies about the operating system. But you don’t have to buy a gaming computer to play thousands of games. And even if you buy a gaming computer, you can STILL do other things with it.

My question remains: What can Macintosh do that Windows can’t?

[garrthbarrttinn]

First of all, wait what??? Windows 7 has a dock? I’m unaware of it. It has a start bar with pinable icons, but that is very different, if you want to see why I can dig up a several page article I saw on it once. If it does have a dock I’m not going to use it because
A) The startbar’s pinable icons do the same thing only better
B) When I had xp I ran a dock and it pissed me off much more than it helped me because I would always be doing something and then accidentally click on a game I didn’t want to play. The only real reason I kept it was because it was eye-candy.

XP had a few functionality flaws. XP is gone, windows 7 is here, there is not a thing comparable when it comes to OS’s. It bugs me when a window isn’t in fullscreen. If I’m using something, I want it to be fullscreen. On osx there is no dedicated fullscreen button. The green button always switches between to sizes, neither of which are necessarily fullscreen so I have to painstakingly move the windows and drag the edge until it is fullscreen. On windows 7 I grab the top of the window and move it to the top of the page and aero snap does the rest. Gadgets are the same as a dock, not that useful, there solely for eye-candy.

Notice the the vast majority of mac users don’t know much about computers. I’m not suggesting you don’t or that there is no such thing as a tech-savy mac user, I am simply saying that most mac users don’t know anything about computers. Do you know why? It’s not because mac is somehow better for stupid people, it’s because they look pretty, they have purty commercials and there are a few gigantic myths about pcs sponsored by mac (like the idea that you can barely turn on the computer without getting a virus, pcs are really unreliable). The people who buy macs the most are those least capable of making an educated decision on what computer to buy.

People talk about how your pc will constantly break down and pcs breakdown far more than macs. To a certain extent this is 100% true. A while back NOBODY had macs. They were a minuscule fraction of the computer market. So the vast majority of comptuers that are 6-10 years old are pcs. So all the people who aren’t very tech-savy and don’t have much money have 10 year-old pcs. There computer constantly crashes and runs extremely slow and since the only macs to compare it to are flawless and brand-new, they blame their pc’s shittiness on the brand instead of the age.

Also, the whole point about upgrading is that computers become obsolete. Usually you upgrade your pc not because you bought a pc you weren’t satisfied with, but simply because your computer is several years old and doesn’t run things as quickly.

[OldDirtyBastard]

How many useless threads like this we’ve already had?

[Diabeetus]

I use both systems. I grew up on a mac. I still prefer Apple OS9 to earlier versions of windows stylistically. However, now I use a Windows machine with a mac dock at home and a Macbook pro laptop, the feel of the laptops is just nicer. Lighter and leaner. Other than that, both operate pretty much exactly the same.

[Diabeetus]

@garthbartin

First of all, wait what??? Windows 7 has a dock? I’m unaware of it. It has a start bar with pinable icons, but that is very different, if you want to see why I can dig up a several page article I saw on it once. If it does have a dock I’m not going to use it because
A) The startbar’s pinable icons do the same thing only better
B) When I had xp I ran a dock and it pissed me off much more than it helped me because I would always be doing something and then accidentally click on a game I didn’t want to play. The only real reason I kept it was because it was eye-candy.

XP had a few functionality flaws. XP is gone, windows 7 is here, there is not a thing comparable when it comes to OS’s. It bugs me when a window isn’t in fullscreen. If I’m using something, I want it to be fullscreen. On osx there is no dedicated fullscreen button. The green button always switches between to sizes, neither of which are necessarily fullscreen so I have to painstakingly move the windows and drag the edge until it is fullscreen. On windows 7 I grab the top of the window and move it to the top of the page and aero snap does the rest. Gadgets are the same as a dock, not that useful, there solely for eye-candy.

Notice the the vast majority of mac users don’t know much about computers. I’m not suggesting you don’t or that there is no such thing as a tech-savy mac user, I am simply saying that most mac users don’t know anything about computers. Do you know why? It’s not because mac is somehow better for stupid people, it’s because they look pretty, they have purty commercials and there are a few gigantic myths about pcs sponsored by mac (like the idea that you can barely turn on the computer without getting a virus, pcs are really unreliable). The people who buy macs the most are those least capable of making an educated decision on what computer to buy.

People talk about how your pc will constantly break down and pcs breakdown far more than macs. To a certain extent this is 100% true. A while back NOBODY had macs. They were a minuscule fraction of the computer market. So the vast majority of comptuers that are 6-10 years old are pcs. So all the people who aren’t very tech-savy and don’t have much money have 10 year-old pcs. There computer constantly crashes and runs extremely slow and since the only macs to compare it to are flawless and brand-new, they blame their pc’s shittiness on the brand instead of the age.

Also, the whole point about upgrading is that computers become obsolete. Usually you upgrade your pc not because you bought a pc you weren’t satisfied with, but simply because your computer is several years old and doesn’t run things as quickly.

I still run this sometimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_8600
It still works like a charm.

[OldDirtyBastard]

Simply ignore garthbartin, he usually writes nonsense anyway.

Oh, just a line that cought my eye:

Notice the the vast majority of mac users don’t know much about computers.

:lol: That’s like stating that every PC user is a 1337 pro haXX0r.
Tell you what, dippy. The vast majority of mac users are programmers, designers and filmmakers (this is also partially why you don’t see much of them on the market).
Thus it makes your little sentiment utterly moronic and to be ashamed of.

Judging mac users by a bunch of casuals next door is extremely inane.

[Mr.Shadow]

Dell is better than both.

[OldDirtyBastard]

Oh, I decided to continue:

People talk about how your pc will constantly break down and pcs breakdown far more than macs. To a certain extent this is 100% true. A while back NOBODY had macs. They were a minuscule fraction of the computer market. So the vast majority of comptuers that are 6-10 years old are pcs. So all the people who aren’t very tech-savy and don’t have much money have 10 year-old pcs. There computer constantly crashes and runs extremely slow and since the only macs to compare it to are flawless and brand-new, they blame their pc’s shittiness on the brand instead of the age.

Stop taking shit out of your head. Your “opinion” above is laughable.

XP had a few functionality flaws. XP is gone, windows 7 is here, there is not a thing comparable when it comes to OS’s. It bugs me when a window isn’t in fullscreen. If I’m using something, I want it to be fullscreen. On osx there is no dedicated fullscreen button. The green button always switches between to sizes, neither of which are necessarily fullscreen so I have to painstakingly move the windows and drag the edge until it is fullscreen. On windows 7 I grab the top of the window and move it to the top of the page and aero snap does the rest. Gadgets are the same as a dock, not that useful, there solely for eye-candy.

Fullscreen is also stupid as hell and isn’t really functional at all. Especially on screens exceeding 20" Unless it’s a HD movie or a game running in high res. Which is handled just fine.
And gadgets are not the same as the dock like you wish to believe.

t’s not because mac is somehow better for stupid people, it’s because they look pretty, they have purty commercials and there are a few gigantic myths about pcs sponsored by mac (like the idea that you can barely turn on the computer without getting a virus, pcs are really unreliable). The people who buy macs the most are those least capable of making an educated decision on what computer to buy.

Seriously, what are you, 12? That passage above makes no sense whatsoever.

hen I had xp I ran a dock and it pissed me off much more than it helped me because I would always be doing something and then accidentally click on a game I didn’t want to play. The only real reason I kept it was because it was eye-candy.

Auto-hide. Sounds familiar?

Also, the whole point about upgrading is that computers become obsolete. Usually you upgrade your pc not because you bought a pc you weren’t satisfied with, but simply because your computer is several years old and doesn’t run things as quickly.

Things like what? Vidya games?
Oh well, yes then, you have to upgrade your puter twice a year to keep up with latest games. But that is also having no life at all.
To run software which is actually useful, you don’t have to keep looking for an upgrade every day. Actually, it makes absolute sense to buy a BRAND NEW computer every 5-7 years, instead of trying to keep alive that useless dying steamy pile of junk and dust you end up with in 3 years after building your “1337 pro gaming rig”.

You guys have no grasp at the fact that the is more to life aside from your dearly beloved piece of sand and plastic which you call a Personal Computer.

[garrthbarrttinn]

@OldDirtyBastard

Oh, I decided to continue:

Stop taking shit out of your head. Your “opinion” above is laughable.

[COLOR=‘red’]I understand that personal experiences can be subjective, but I am sure many people can relate to this. Every single mac user I know is not tech-savy. I know so “computer geeks” and they all prefer and use pcs. I do not know a single person that knows a lot about computers and owns a mac. If you don’t want to believe this, there are quite a few other arguments I have given that still stand.

Fullscreen is also stupid as hell and isn’t really functional at all. Especially on screens exceeding 20" Unless it’s a HD movie or a game running in high res. Which is handled just fine.
And gadgets are not the same as the dock like you wish to believe.

[COLOR=‘Red’]On laptops that don’t have gigantic screens yes it is useful. I did not meant hat gadgets do the same thing as docks, I meant that gadgets are the same as docks in that they aren’t very useful and there main purpose is to look cool.

Seriously, what are you, 12? That passage above makes no sense whatsoever.

[COLOR=‘red’]My passage contains no grammatical errors and is clear, If you can’t understand it that is your fault, not mine. Ironically, you are criticizing me for not making sense while calling me the number 12.

Auto-hide. Sounds familiar?

[COLOR=‘red’]If I auto-hide the dock it no longer looks pretty, and looking pretty was the main reason I got a dock. It’s just as easy to click on the start button and go to the icon I want as it is to go to the dock.

Things like what? Vidya games?
Oh well, yes then, you have to upgrade your puter twice a year to keep up with latest games. But that is also having no life at all.

[COLOR=‘red’]People who aren’t gamers will usually keep their computer for a very long time. My dad’s computer is 8 years old. It runs very slowly, and not just when playing games. It turns on slowly, it runs programs slowly, etc. If he upgraded his computer those things would run a little faster. You are on this forum, so clearly you show and interest in video games, yet, according to you, playing video games means you have no life.

To run software which is actually useful, you don’t have to keep looking for an upgrade every day. Actually, it makes absolute sense to buy a BRAND NEW computer every 5-7 years, instead of trying to keep alive that useless dying steamy pile of junk and dust you end up with in 3 years after building your “1337 pro gaming rig”.

[COLOR=‘red’]For people with little money or little interest in running much more than internet explorer and word perfect, it’s better to pay 50 bucks on upgrading your RAM so that you don’t have to buy a new computer for another year.

You guys have no grasp at the fact that the is more to life aside from your dearly beloved piece of sand and plastic which you call a Personal Computer.

This is not an argument but a personal attack. Please keep your arguments logical, not insulting.

[Mr.Shadow]

Says the guy who says people using a mac are dumb >_>

[garrthbarrttinn]

@Mr.Shadow

Says the guy who says people using a mac are dumb >_>

lol. I did say many are, but it was not an insult, it was part of a logical argument, that many people buy macs because they don’t know much about computers and as a result fall for Steve Job’s clever advertising.

[OldDirtyBastard]

I understand that personal experiences can be subjective, but I am sure many people can relate to this. Every single mac user I know is not tech-savy. I know so “computer geeks” and they all prefer and use pcs. I do not know a single person that knows a lot about computers and owns a mac. If you don’t want to believe this, there are quite a few other arguments I have given that still stand.

Whoever said that “computer-geeks” and “mac users you know” is considered as a majority? Actually, quite on the contrary.

My passage contains no grammatical errors and is clear, if you can’t understand it that is your fault, not mine.

Clarity and grammatical correctness does not mean that your post will automatically make sense.

If I auto-hide the dock it no longer looks pretty, and looking pretty was the main reason I got a dock. It’s just as easy to click on the start button and go to the icon I want as it is to go to the dock.

On laptops that don’t have gigantic screens yes it is useful. I did not meant hat gadgets do the same thing as docks, I meant that gadgets are the same as docks in that they aren’t very useful and there main purpose is to look cool.

Absolute bullshit that fully shows your incompetence.
Dock’s main purpose is functionality, not eye-candy. Your point is irrelevant.
And before you answer. Yes Mac OS Dock is extremely functional, especially in comparison to gadgets %2

[Mr.Shadow]

@garthbartin

lol. I did say many are, but it was not an insult, it was part of a logical argument, that many people buy macs because they don’t know much about computers and as a result fall for Steve Job’s clever advertising.

How’s that logical? They’re both for different things. Macs are for working. PCs are for a balance between fun and working.

[X_Mastershot_X]

…and I’m a Linux

[OldDirtyBastard]

How’s that logical? They’re both for different things. Macs are for working. PCs are for a balance between fun and working.

His “arguments” defy any logic whatsoever.

[garrthbarrttinn]

@OldDirtyBastard

Whoever said that “computer-geeks” and “mac users you know” is considered as a majority? Actually, quite on the contrary.

[COLOR=‘Red’]As I said before, if you do not consider my personal experiences/opinions valid then look at my other arguments.

Clarity and grammatical correctness does not mean that your post will automatically make sense.

[COLOR=‘red’]Clarity means the point I am trying to make is clear. Perhaps you are having trouble with my logic? I am saying that many mac users don’t know much about computers. That’s not because of the commonly held belief that macs are easier for people who don’t understand computers, but because people who don’t know much about computers can be fooled into buying a bad computer by clever convincing ads myths and a pretty looking but not necessarily good interface.

Absolute bullshit that fully shows your incompetence.
Dock’s main purpose is functionality, not eye-candy. Your point is irrelevant.

[COLOR=‘red’]Yes, but it is not that useful when you already have a start bar so it’s only remaining use is eye-candy.

Yet another nonsense. I didn’t say that playing video games is having no life.
Wasting your money on constant upgrades, however, is.

[COLOR=‘red’]Off-topic and irrelevant.

Are capable of reading? I wrote 5-7 years.

[COLOR=‘red’]My point is this; people who don’t have much money and/or don’t run anything very resource intensive don’t like how slowly their old computer runs. They don’t want to buy a new computer because that is expensive and a hassle so instead they buy some RAM and install or have a local pc shop install it. Now their computer runs a little faster and will probably be usable for a year or two more for only about 50 dollars.

It is hardly a personal attack, however a simple truth.

“Are you capable of reading”, and “what are you, 12?” are insults, not arguments, they suggest that you are posting not because you want to debate, but simply because you like bashing other people and their beliefs.

@Mr.Shadow

How’s that logical? They’re both for different things. Macs are for working. PCs are for a balance between fun and working.

That is what we are debating. I believe that casual mac users buy macs not because they are better for them, but because, being casual users, they don’t know a lot about computers and choose the pretty well advertised fad computer rather than the useful cheaper and better computer.

[Mr.Shadow]

A friend of mine uses a Mac, and he’s the biggest computer geek I’ve ever seen. He knows almost EVERYTHING that I don’t know about computers. Also: Why are people who have other preferences wasting their time? Like I said: They’re both for different stuff. If you work more than you game more you choose mac. If you game more: Choose pc. Simple as that.

[garrthbarrttinn]

@Mr.Shadow

A friend of mine uses a Mac, and he’s the biggest computer geek I’ve ever seen. He knows almost EVERYTHING that I don’t know about computers. Also: Why are people who have other preferences wasting their time? Like I said: They’re both for different stuff. If you work more than you game more you choose mac. If you game more: Choose pc. Simple as that.

But macs aren’t better for work. When it comes to user interface, windows 7 blows mac out of the water. When it comes to choice in programs, pc wins. Some say macs have better music editing programs and such, perhaps that is true, I don’t know. So maybe in one or two artistic fields mac wins, I don’t completely know because I have never used mac’s video editing and music editing programs. But I have used Iphoto and I can tell it is counter-intuitive and unnecessary for anything other than very basic image editing.

[Jingles]

Personally, I quite like both. I would like to point out that I do not build my own computers. My brother has an iMac and I find that quite a nice piece of technology, I would not buy one myself, but it is good. Sure it is not made for gaming, but he doesn’t use it for that. The laptops are especially good, and if I had the money I would get one. Having said that, they are a tad overpriced and more games run on PCs. An okay PC could cost you about £300 and the cheapest mac is twice the cost. I quite like both and would gladly use either one.

EDIT: My brother uses his mac for some music editing and sort of likes to waste his money a lot.

[garrthbarrttinn]

My mom’s macbook is about one and a half years old. It cost around $1000 and has only a 70 gigabyte hard drive. That’s as small as my dad’s 8 year old computer. A classmate of mine bought a pc laptop at around the same time. I do not know how much it cost but I’m pretty sure it was under $1000, and it had a hard drive over 200 gigabytes.