Good luck trying to explain that to the average American…
“Jesus came from Iraq, grew up in Afghanistan, lived in Pakistan and went to Jerusalem in Palestine”
They are used to being lied to anyway.
The killing of bin Laden was justified after 9/11. We couldn’t let him get away with an open attack on American soil, not to mention threats against the UK and other allies. Would you rather him go on living and perhaps maybe orchestrate another terrorist attack?
As for the celebrations…I agree…somewhat.
He was never charged with 9/11. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
Even the FBI page for him never mention the WTC attacks. But even if he was, killing an unarmed fugitive is not legal, due process must be followed. Even further, Pakistan never gave permission for us to lead an attack in their country.
Since ages. Attempts to murder Castro from 1960 to 1965; in 1986 United States bombing of Libya, code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon against Gaddafi and so on.
Assassination is an old trick, Sun Tzu, writing around 500 BC, argued in favor of using assassination in his book The Art of War and nearly 2000 years later Machiavelli also argued assassination usefulness in his book The Prince.
Assassination is in the standard repertoire of the american world policy.
First you send out the economy killers, if they don’t succeed you send out the jackals (assassines) if they don’t succeed, war. I think this has nothing to do with the Osama case because he had no economical value for America.
Why in the hell do you think he wasn’t armed? I don’t think there’s any way he went down without a fight. Who are you to talk about legality, anyway? You don’t know the extent of the bureaucratic process that was required to take action against him.
So the killing of tens of thousands of civilians by American forces is also justified?
The white house says he was unarmed: https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-unarmed-killed-white-house/story?id=13520152
Who am I to talk about legality? Well, for starters, the Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has stated that they did not give the US permission to operate the raid. Which makes it illegal under international law, an infringement on the sovereignty of Pakistan which undermines the national security of Pakistan. Further, as common as assassinations may be, they are not legal. This action ignored and violated the due process laid out in our constitution and common law, making this a prima facie violation of the human right to life.
^Didn’t actually know that.
No surprises here really.
Interesting. Thanks for the link. Although it states that they were “prepared to capture him if that was possible,” I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they never intended to take him back alive.
Justified killing has been a central part of human morality since the beginning of time. If you do it for the right cause, it is entirely justified if the benefits outweigh the costs. And before you bring up the horrendously stupid “but Osama killed for his beliefs” consider that justification is relative and that I will apply my beliefs to who can be killed. Deal with it.
In any case, killing him instead of capturing him was justifiable in my mind. Giving him any voice in court or giving him a military trial would both have inflamed violence far more than his death will in my opinion. And no, I don’t care what the law says. Laws are embodiments of out morals, and if our morals contradict the law, the law should be ignored.
Ha. Wow. Just execution =/= cold blooded murder. Especially when it’s the just execution of one man versus the cold blooded murder of thousands. We were shocked by the terrorists not because they were simply celebrating, but because they were celebrating an immoral act. We are celebrating a moral act. It’s not the same thing, whether or not both acts include death.
If someone stabs you without good justification then is it not fair to stab him back?
It’s as simple as this: if you think Osama’s death was justified, then you think celebrating his death is okay.
The problem is that you can’t really say that it was justified.
Stabbing someone is never fair. There is no justification for that. If you hit back only because you were hit “without reason” (I am putting it into brackets because you can’t sometimes now the reason) then it is also hitting back without reason.
It’s not illegal to kill a terrorist suspect unless he surrenders. There are tons of both recent and older laws that allow it. I don’t know where some of you clowns come up with this stuff. In fact, it’s still perfectly legal for the POTUS to sign an assassination order, even though it was kind of an unwritten law that they wouldn’t for a few decades. Maybe if I’m feeling particularly spry I’ll dig up the exact laws, but I’m not sure I really care that much about burdening you with facts.
Now as for whether or not going into Pakistan for the operation violated international or Pakistani law…it probably did. Obama had the option of stepping on a few toes or losing Osama Bin Laden, and he made a choice that might piss of some people in the Pakistani government, but that’s about all it’s going to do.
if any of you feel that the president of the us being assassinated under order by an iraqi (for example) state leader is unjustified you’re hypocrits
wbhy whouldnt they capture him and at least put on a show trial. its cuz the whole thing is fake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs
If punishment is not moral then what is to stop the immoral from harming others?
^someone is unaware that planned assassination =/= punishment. Just saying.
despite going overboard very often, this guy is p.fucking awesome.
yeah he’s a broken clock but i fuckin love that video