All yours did was show a link between increased fat intake and weight gain. I provided biological function as to how a vegetarian diet where fat intake isn’t reduced can lead to weight gain, and hypothyroidism.
You have a serious problem admitting when you’re wrong, dude.
Studies directly contradict what you’re saying with respect to metabolism:
“There is evidence that a vegan diet causes an increased calorie burn after meals, meaning plant-based foods are being used more efficiently as fuel for the body, as opposed to being stored as fat,” said Dr. Barnard. Insulin sensitivity is increased by a vegan diet, allowing nutrients to more rapidly enter the cells of the body to be converted to heat rather than to fat.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/04/vegetarian_weight_loss.html#ixzz0c3hVI6RK
Not really. You should first analyze what I said. I suggested that often switching to a vegetarian diet causes weight gain. I didn’t say more often, or even that odds suggest. I only suggested that switching to vegetarianism isn’t synonymous with weight loss. Often people do not lose weight because they do not subscribe to a low fat vegetarian diet. Giving up meat, but not decreasing fat intake can actually cause weight gain.
It is easier to lower fat intake on a vegetarian diet, because for a great many people the fast and sugars in their diet come from food. However, it is common to see the fat intake remain the same and the lack of vitamins like chromium will actually make it more difficult to burn away the same intake of fat. You can’t provide links to studies that show average in compared diets, or comparison between a low fat vegetarian diet and a high fat omnivorous diet.
If you are asking to debate a point I’m not arguing that how am I supposed to argue a point that I wasn’t making?
The problem with your claim is words like “often” and “common.” The statistical reality is the opposite of what you are claiming, as proven by the studies I’ve cited. If you were to say “a vegetarian diet can, in extremely rare and specific circumstances that almost never occur (0-6% of the time, according to my last cite), can cause weight gain” then there would be no argument.
Often is a relative term. So it does apply because it is relative to the occurrence of an indeterminate. I think your claim that people ’ almost never ’ remain on high fat/sugar intake after switching their diet is an interesting one. That shows a lot of faith in people already predisposed to eating disorders.
the ‘specific circumstances’ I was mentioning was switching to vegetarian diet. So how about I phrase it more generally and provide less definitive tone?
People have been known to switch to vegetarian diet to battle easting disorders. However, because this group of people are predisposed to poor eating habits, they are not predisposed to cutting their fat/sugar intake. Biologically this can actually lead to weight increase.
Better?
EDIT: Also, your link studies showed current values not weight change value.
You’re seriously still trying to argue :facepalm:
You really wanna know? Google “obesity consequences”, “obesity disadvantages”, “overweight health problems” and similar topics. Have fun reading!
Or, if you are too lazy to read:
Watch Supersize Me
or perhaps he meant, so what if im fat, im proud of it, its who i am?
No I’m trying to frame my statement in a way you understand. It’s supposed to incited debate…you know…debate thread…
I eat loads, fast food, everything, but I’m border-line seriously underweight.
I think it’s because I eat a lot of fibre and vegetables also, and I don’t eat fast food everyday, just like, twice a week, and I walk everywhere also.
I didn’t presume on that because it would mean him to be incredibly stupid. So presuming on him having such a dumbass attitude would have meant to insult him (at least for me).
I rather wanted to presume him to be an intelligent individual actually curious to know the disadvantages and bad consequences of being fat.
Let me frame your statement in a way that you will hopefully understand, because you clearly aren’t getting it:
You are comparing to a study of people who ARE vegetarians versus people who ARE NOT. Those statistics have nothing to do with people who give up meat.
But you are still basing your statistics on studies that have nothing to do with the subject…
Again, using numbers that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
What are you talking about? It’s the very basis of the conversation.
No. They don’t show any results at all for those who are changing their diet. At best those results show a general difference in the diet of omnivores and vegetarians.
Using statistics that have nothing to do with the subject means the statistics provided are invalid.
You can argue that the vegetarian diet is more healthy all you like, I’m talking about something else entirely and have been the whole time…
:facepalm:
According to mostly every scale in the world I am severely overweight/obese. Sucks man.
And for those of you itching to see me participate in this thread’s argument, give me something to work with so I can blissfully crush you all in one fell swoop.
So people who give up meat are… what? If not vegetarians?
You know, for someone who has obviously not a clue what he is even talking about you show an amusing amount of enthusiasm in participating in this debate. It just gets old really quick to see you being wrong on so many levels about so many things and still not admitting to have no idea. If your enthusiasm was coupled with actual knowledge on the subject and at least a pseudo-scientific approach to the whole topic, it would be so much more rewarding to see you participate.
That’s just because muscle is heavier than fat. You’re alright, man. We know.
Alright you are both fucking morons. This concept isn’t that hard, but I am going to have to describe this as if you are both retarded children.
Picture Bob. Bob is a fat slob because he has an eating disorder. Some of his friends are vegetarian. They believe in the ideology of vegetarianism, and eat a diet with a balance of vitamins and minerals provided by various alternative sources, rather than meat. They tell Bob he should give it a try because typically vegetarians are slimmer.
However, Bob fails and actually gets fatter. Why? Because instead of following the typical choices associated with the vegetarian lifestyle. Rather than eating cheese filled sausage all day he substitutes with a 24/7 diet of beer nuts. Bob isn’t a vegetarian because of the healthy ideology behind vegetarianism, he is basically on a subtraction diet. Subtraction diets OFTEN fail because the subtracted food items are simply replaced by other emotionally satisfying food. Meat in itself is not bad, and when you remove the beneficial vitamins and minerals meat provides and supplement it with other fatty food without those benefits, guess what happens? He gets fatter.
I’ve been making a conscience effort to avoid the condescending tone and disregard for dialog you’ve shown me. I’ve tried several different approaches to explain the difference between a vegetarian, and someone who uses a vegetarian diet to lose weight.
So in response to your question people who give up meat to lose weight are ON A DIET! I’m sure that vegetarianism is the magic diet though right? Gets right to the underlying emotional dependency of people with eating disorders. By that logic you can say that people with anorexia should start eating McDonalds every day because typically people who eat at McD’s everyday are heavy. I’m sure the fact that it will make them feel worse won’t come back to bite them in the butt right?
Maybe before you tell someone they don’t know what they are talking about you should actually learn to fucking read? You pair of fucking half wits are so quick to re-affirm your points despite not understanding the point I’ve been making the whole time, that you’ve quoted statistic that don’t relate to the point in the least.
Vegetarians are typically skinnier. Okay…but that’s not what I was talking about.
It is as if I said ‘anorexics who try to eat at McDonalds every day tend to have even worse eating disorders as a result.’
If you follow up by saying ’ Statistics show that people who eat at Mcdonalds everyday are the exact opposite of anorexic.LINKLINK LINK’
Uh yeah, but that’s not the point ya pair of short sighted jackasses.
Thanks for explaining again what you already stated and I had already understood.
I just didn’t get why a small percentage of people who are giving up meat as part of a diet and are stupid enough to replace it with equally fattening food are representative or at least significant enough to be mentioned as a possible disadvantage of vegetarianism.
If they had truly changed to being vegetarians, they would have followed a set of rules to ensure they change their daily meals to get all the necessary nutrition from it.
Failure to do so results in not benefitting from the full advantages that vegetarianism has to offer, or even to suffer disadvantages. But failing to exercise vegetarianism means you are not a real vegetarian, only a person who substitutes meat.
I totally agree with you that in that case one cannot expect to feel the full extent of health improvements that a true vegetarian lifestyle has to offer. I just thought you were trying to say that:
“vegetarianism = bad because some people fuck it up.”
Sorry if I misunderstood you. It’s fuckin late over here, and I am partly drunk.
Some medications can make you fat too. I was put on a behavioral medication that I forget the name of, but I credit it for ruining my health. It was sort of a snowball effect.
The medication made me gain weight, which gave me less energy, less energy meant I sat around more. This pretty much went on until I didn’t have enough energy to play for any extended amount of time, at around this time I also found videogames.
Now am I saying it isn’t my fault? Not entirely. I should have taken action, did something to fight it. But I was too young and stupid to notice or care. Also, as mentioned, my depression isn’t much helping anything. And my eating habits are pretty bad (i almost never eat junkfoods, but i still eat more than i should or regular foods).
Not exactly, he’s trying to undermine my statement that it’s difficult to be fat and vegetarian. Honestly, he’s probably just sore (rectally) from getting owned in my Vegetarianism thread earlier today, so he has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove me wrong. Epic fail, IMO.