Microsoft's arrogance

Technology and Gaming
#21

You can draw parallel between that and high-performance cars.
high end custom built pc would be a tuned 1300hp supra, but a console would be a stock BMW M3. While supra would be faster, it would be for a clearly defined group of people. But BMW M3 is fast enough for an average joe and is as much as available.
And alienware PC would be a Veyron. :retard:
Nah, that’s gone too far, I fail at drawing parallels.

Which is utter fanboyish bullshit.
This article is pretty relevant to all of you:
https://www.crunchgear.com/2009/11/10/mouse-and-keyboard-vs-console-controller-lets-bury-the-hatchet/

#22

C’mon man, MS is not completely innocent here. Yes, they follow market trends like any other company who wants to make money. They spend shitloads on marketing to make their products reach as many people as humanly possible, which, again, is perfectly normal.

What’s not normal is taking games from the PC just to make them Xbox exclusive.

Alan Wake is the perfect example of this. MS’s flagship title of Directx 10 technologies and multi-core wonders on PC suddenly becomes an Xbox exclusive and a shadow of what it was supposed to be.

Halo had two lousy ports and that’s it. Gears of War had a decent port but that’s it.

They’ve given up on PC because the Xbox is a lot more lucrative.

Sony is pretty successful on their own terms. They never needed to screw with PC gaming to earn a lot of cash.

For a long time, consoles and PC walked their own successful ways without screwing each other.

Why did it have to change?

#23

Those advantages can easily be removed. Graphics better on a PC? I don’t think so, that depends entirely whether or not the game is made for the console or not. Look at Crysis for example, this game clearly requires a high-end PC in order to get the highest graphics at a high resolution with decent framerates. Do games made primarely for the console look better on a PC? Probably not. Things such as shading, LOD, texture quality, model density and so on could easily be exactly the same for both the console and PC. Why would they bother giving the PC gamers the option to choose far better quality graphics?

Without mod support, better graphics and dedicated servers, what advantage does a PC have over a console? A mouse and a keyboard?

Something tells me Valves fanbase is going to get a lot bigger (especially the modding community).

#24

I still don’t understand price, because let’s compare:

If you want a pc as good as a console, 900 euro is a good price a to start and it will probably outperform any console.

900 euro PC
vs
300 euro console + a pc for everything else you want to do for around 500 euros = 800 euros.

Console games are 10 euros more then pc games.

So on the long term it’s around the same price, because if you’ll actively buy games, all the ten euros will cover up the costs for hardware upgrades for pc.

@jeannotvb for me it’s also the possibility to drag my laptop to some friends of mine and play lan, the fact that I can play in my own not real big room, source sdk and it can do so much more than any console.

#25

Heres what i think. The guy said PC FPS gamers are not common because even though there may be alot of us, theres still a shit ton more fags that play games like WOW and other bs. This makes the amount of fps players seem very small.

#26

But they DO bother giving PC gamers the option to choose far better graphics. Higher resolution textures, antialiasing, anisotropic filtering, display resolution, etc. are all fairly frequently found among PC ports of console games, and often more customization is available.

This is an advantage that I hope doesn’t go away anytime soon, and I’m sure if you wanted to you could come up with many more advantages besides that and keyboard + mouse.

EDIT: if we’re talking about FPS games here then I just want to throw in that I don’t understand the appeal of console FPS gaming over PC fps gaming. I find that the controller is better than a keyboard + mouse in select genres of games, and FPS is not one of them

#27

Well, usually people use their parents computer as an everything else computer. The thing I find hilarious is I know console fags who’s parents own really nice computers perfectly capable of gaming, but they don’t even realize it.

#28

Those ‘high quality’ textures that seem to be for the PC only are probably just the same used for the console. When I played Dead Space I could clearly see the game had low resolution textures that were obviously meant for the consoles (and yes these were the highest quality ones).

#29

Okay, I understand, but it’s too late so you just have to move on.
Now though,what do want them to do exactly? It’s not that straightforward. As I said quality standard imposed on devs would fail spectacularly, both for devs and gamers.
And let’s be honest, personal computer as a concept is going to get really old pretty soon. As much as one may hate iPad, it really does mean future changes to a lot of things.

And after all, there are much more important thing in life than vidya gayms, wouldn’t you agree? So I wouldn’t care much about it, leave alone the hardware we’ll be doing it on.

#30

garthbartin and ODB are the two sides of the extreme fanboyish coin.

Just to make it clear, I’d love if we returned to a state where PC and console gaming were equally successful and each one didn’t overlap or compete over each other.

#31

I couldn’t disagree more

And @Maxey, yes. If only console games were made to play well on consoles and PC games made to be played well on PCs, and there were plenty of developers for both systems…

Maybe they should focus on somehow combining the console and computer gaming markets, somehow like valve combined the mac and pc gaming markets

#32

:awesome:

@OldDirtyBastard
Imo the Ipad is just an oversized Iphone, I don’t see it as the future of Pc/Macs since it has to many limitations. I don’t see why you bring it up.

#33

See you in 20 years. Maybe even sooner.
PCs as they are now won’t die out, of course. But they would be more like ancient monstroscities.

EDIT: Oh and I actually rephrased my last post. Sorry for that.

#34

I don’t understand why hardware companies don’t invest more money into PC gaming like nVidia did with Crysis.

#35

It used to be like that. Even when Sony made console gaming even more mainstream with the PS1, both markets stayed healthy and mostly separate.

Then MS entered the console market and things changed.

Makes you think, doesn’t it?

#36

Microsoft should die, muhaha :retard:

#37

we all love to hate ms don’t we

#38

Some things about Microsoft I like, and TBH I really liked the original XBOX, but the steps they and other companies are taking to make the bridge between console and computer gaming further definitely make me lose respect for them.

It used to be that a gaming company’s best way to make money was to cater to the users, now it seems to be slipping more and more into tricking the user into thinking the company is doing what’s best for them.

#39

I don’t hate MS, I just think they could have been successful without neglecting the people who made them rich in the first place.

#40

Well it were not gamers, that’s for sure. They get a hell of a lot more from private/government investments and joint ventures than from overall sales of their products.

P.S. And to be honest, gaming is not the primary purpose of PC and OSes on them. I hope I don’t need to remind you that.

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