This basically summarizes my opinion pretty well. There is no way one can empirically deny the rights of both people unless you are political extremist. And discussing with political extremists is like talking with stones.
Noah’s Arc story 
To answer the op’s question.
I think that Israel isn’t right about anything they ever said or did or about anything they will ever say or do.
Pretty much I think Israel needs to be wiped out of existence pure and simple.
Saying that the state of israel shouldn’t exist/ is illegal is complete crap. If you’re thinking along those lines then we should give California and Texas back to the zapatistas
Wait what? It’s the exact reverse.
Jews lived in Israeli area 2000 years ago. Jews come back and take Israel back.
Zapistas lived in Texas a long time ago. In this hypothetical situation, Zapatistas come back and take Texas back.
They are similar.
I’m not saying either way whether or not Israel should be there, I’m just saying you have your analogy WAYY backwards.
the whole “the jews lived in israel 2000 years ago” thing is total crap, since modern religious jews have little to nothing to do with the jews living in israel 2000 years ago
Jews have always lived in Palestine. It’s not as if there were no Jews in Palestine before 1948.
The argument about the legitimacy or legality of the State of Israel is a bunch of shit. It was perfectly legal. Had I lived at that time, I rather think I would have opposed the mechanics of how this was done and certainly would have opposed a theocracy. The Palestinians got fucked - but it was legal.
I don’t sympathize with the Israeli state policies toward Palestinians, and view them as apartheid, but it’s clear that Anti-Semites have taken advantage of this situation by disseminating a SHITload of propaganda about this situation, which is much more complex and complicated than most people would like to think - especially for those whose primary source of information regarding this issue is the internet.
The 2 state solution with Jerusalem administered as an international city is the best solution to the problem. But after this has happened, I think that we’ll see the controversy about Israel continued from the neighboring Arab states - and then you’ll get a better idea of exactly what the REAL controversy is.
The real issue, at least for most Arabs, is NOT the Israeli policies toward Palestinians - most Arabs do not sympathize or even respect Palestinians. They are held in contempt and as a ‘lesser’ people, as less civilized or of a lesser character. The Israeli policies are simply an excuse for a basic anti-Jewish sentiment. This area is Islamic Holy Land, bequeathed to the faithful by God, and the Jews are Infidels. That’s the REAL controversy from the Islamic perspective, and that won’t change with the 2 State Solution, even though it satisfies the Palestinians. This is why Iran, which isn’t an Arabic country and doesn’t border Israel, has such militant anti-Israeli policies.
I support the 2 State solution, I don’t sympathize with Israel’s policies toward Palestinians, and I damn well don’t support the Anti-Israeli propaganda from Islamic and other Anti-Semitic sources (Neo-Nazis).
The next time you read this kind of shit or see some youtube video, track the sources - you’ll ALWAYS find a Neo-NAZI or Conservative Islamic group as the origin. Sometimes you have to do a bit of work, but other times just a click to the youtube poster’s account will be far enough - you’ll usually immediately see a bunch of swastikas or Arabic script across video stills of Fundamental Jihadists burning American, British, or Isreali flags while showing off weapons.
I’m not directing my comments to any particular people in this thread - I don’t have any reason to believe that anyone here is a Neo-Nazi or Islamic Extremist, but I saw the implication that Israel has no right to exist as a State, and that is patently false and a delusion of those whose real argument for the illegitmacy of Israel is theological.
Just going to leave this here:
wow…
I am just gonna leave this here:
Doubt it.
BTW - I have absolutely no idea what either of these cut & pastes is attempting to express.
Every time someone uses some old, stale cliche, catchphrase, or meme past it’s expiration date, all I hear is “Watchu talkin bout Willis” and it makes me cringe in embarrassment for the poster.
bamboo: You’re right. Child sacrifice is the ONLY thing that the Canaanites did and every single one of them engaged in it. It gave the invading armies carte blanche to kill or oust everyone and destroy their instrumentations of worship.
Sheesh.
EDIT: Of course, this is all academic at this point. Both the Israelis and Palestinians both deserve land of their own and both deserve the right to protect it, but both also engage in antagonistic shit. A match made in heaven. :facepalm:
To be simplistic about the problem, religion.
I’ll have to sig that. 
Also, why do the Jews deserve a country? Can’t they be like the rest of the fucking world and live with other cultures and people rather than ousting a people to make room for their own? Sounds like Nazi shit.
Jew =/= Israeli
What’s she right about? She didn’t make any propositions, and neither did you. You’re just guessing at her proposition and reacting to that.
Have you ever read the transcripts of the AI progs conversing with each other in the early 90s? That’s what I’m reminded of here. Cut & Pastes are not clear expressions, and technically both C&P and links to youtube vids or wikipedia articles are argumentum ad verecundiam - but they’re not even that because those sources aren’t even authoritative.
If you’re going to C&P some passage, you should at least give it some context, otherwise it’s meaningless. There’s no point to either of those C&Ps.
If you’re going to cut off the meat and potatoes of my argument, you shouldn’t complain about the lack of meat and potatoes.
No it doesn’t. But Israeli (wavy equals symbol that means approximately) Jew.
I don’t know what your argument is.
I was being extraordinarily sarcastic (as I typically am after the words “You’re right”) when bamboomon implied that it was okay to completely demolish the country in which they were invading, then take it over and distribute the land to everyone, because we found some evidence of child sacrifice.