Universe can be finite but boundless, allowing for infinite numbers. Again.
Numbers aren’t physical objects and take up no space in the bathtub.
Except water is a physical object and a number is man made concept created to rationalize those physical objects. Completely different and thus can’t be compared in the same way.
Edit: Also what Daniel said. Numbers don’t take up physical space and thus are not limited by physical space.
You can count above the universe. If the universe has a finite size, you can still calculate how big 2 universes would be. So you’ll end up with numbers larger than the universe and eventually reach an infinite number.
You can also consider that if the universe is finite, than theoretically something must exist outside the universe. Even if the universe is finite, the space the universe is contained within would be infinite thus allowing numbers to be infinite.
Edit: Wait, the outside space wouldn’t be infinite the space + the universe would be.
No, I was talking about plain concepts, not physical instances of these objects. When you think “a tree” - it doesn’t represent any real, particular tree, right?
But numbers don’t exist physically as opposed to water, so what do you want to prove?
EDIT: Well, I just repeated what was said above.
ok im going to end this. I can’t explain it but hopefully if you watch the documentary you’ll get what I’m saying, be warned though this might destroy the reailty you know and love lol
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Sorry, but why should I sit through a sixty+ minute documentary? What, exactly, should I be watching for?
Awesomeness.
I’ve got better things to do with my time.
Because you want answers to “infinty”, answers I can’t give you, because I’m not as smart as the men in this video. Trust me though its a great watch, I couldn’t sleep trying to figure it all out, its drove some men insane lol. Give it the first ten minutes at least and you’ll start to see what I mean
Yet I know about infinity.
so you think but its a lot more complex and weirder then “an endless number/universe”
An endless universe is easy to explain, really. If it’s expanding faster than the speed of light we could never ever ever reach the edge of it, and if we did, there’s theories it bends back in on itself like a sphere.
Such as hanging around on these forums? :3
If it has edges it’s not endless regardless it’s expanding or not, because a distance between two points have a meaning only for a particular moment in time (having Theory of Relativity in mind), so at any point in time the distance between two opposite edges of the Universe would be finite.
The universe isn’t infinite. Numbers are. As we’ve been trying to tell you.
Actually, yes. :3
A sphere has no edge. Assuming it is a sphere, of course. I’m just arguing for the numbers.
Well, someone above me was talking about reaching the edge of the Universe, but never mind, these are probably just some translation problems that I have :-P. [COLOR=‘Black’]The word “boundary” would have better suit here.
And if any of you actually watched those vids or listened to expert scientists/mathmatcians, you’d question your oppionon. Infinty is a complicated and contrevsial subject and a very big debate shared by the greatest minds this world knows so despite what you might think you know the truth is no one knows for sure. Numbers can not be infinite in a finite universe (No matter how big the end number is), its mathematically impossible (At least at the momment to prove). And if the universe and numbers are infinite then chances are out there somewere is another you living the same life thinking hes the only you out there, weird…
But, it’s not an opinion.
I still fail to see how mathematical constructs are limited to the confines of our universe. Even if you took the number of subatomic numbers in the entire universe, you can still add the number 1 to that number.
You forget that if the universe if finite, there might be things outside the universe. And as long as it’s possible to be bigger than the universe, numbers can be greater than the universe.