Great Mod! But please BRING BACK THE M16!

[Garm30]

Skin needs some work

[Rusty_S85]

@Bathroom Security

Bring back the M16, you say?

I thought it was an M4…

I think there’s an M9 in there somewhere too…

Most gamers dont know the difference between a Model 601, 602, 603, 604, or 606. To them they all are M16`s even though they range from the M16 to the M16-A1 to the HBAR.

[dky.tehkingd.u]

I say we bring back the original Army XM16E1 to Black Mesa.

[Rusty_S85]

@dky.tehkingd.u

I say we bring back the original Army XM16E1 to Black Mesa.

The Model 603? Why the hell not.

[joshka89]

@Bravetriforcer

Just so you know, Walmart doesn’t sell guns or ammo. Although I’m not sure about the ones in Texas.

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No not at all in Texas. In Alaska you can get hunting rifles and USED to be able to get handguns but I haven’t been back there in a while.

[Disturbulator]

The M4… How did I FORGET about the M4?!

[misirloupowerslide]

umm im just gonna add this , i dont mind the mp5 and i understand why the devs made the one they put in there , the models of the weapons are very similar to the original , notice the mp5 has no front post in the sight circle , its a simple mp5 model a lot like the original , however i loved having an m4 but to be honest i liked the new /old mp5 they had originally planned for black mesa and it shared the ammo even though i would use the m4 even though in real life it doesnt share ammo i wouldnt mind being able to use the different models and simply hope that somebody figures out a way to replace the view models of the weapons in bms (the best source mod i have ever been privileged enough to play … thanks developers)

[GordonReturns]

I was poking around in the wiki and found this about the m4. Made me laugh. Also, the wiki did say that the mp5 would be a weapon that was neither great at ranged combat or damage but would be like a gun to fit in the middle somewhere. I may have mistranslated that but you can look yourself.

"Here is another official response.

The M4 will NOT be included in the mod.

Why?

Because we said so. We are the developers. We decide what the final product will entitle. Some of you will :’( while the grown ups will move on to provide insightful ideas on other aspects of the mod."

[dky.tehkingd.u]

They decided it wasn’t a very efficient use of their time since they needed someone to rig it, animate it, and implement it into the game… or something.

[PlausibleSarge]

this is why a community member should do the work for them, then demand they include it in the game and threaten to blow up an embassy if they do not

[joshka89]

@PlausibleSarge

this is why a community member should do the work for them, then demand they include it in the game and threaten to blow up an embassy if they do not

They’ve said in the wiki that they will include some stuff if community makes it

And I LOLed

[ysrael214]

Where can I find that M4?

[targ]

@Bloodshot

There actually is a difference.

You KNOW an M16 doesn’t use 9mm ammunition. You DON’T know that scientists won’t accidentally tear a hole into another universe and let weird Extra terrestrials through to our world. I’m not saying expect that to ever happen, but part of the game is suspension of disbelief, and small details that are realistic like that, or bigger ones, like having the level design make sense and not just be there for you to fight in, help lend to that.

I think the fact that this post spawned several pages of argument, regardless of who is closer to accurate, disproves the point that it’s such intuitive knowledge that ignoring it would ruin suspension of disbelief.

I think Bloodshot was just making a point in principle, and it’s a valid point, but the argument that followed is really not a legitimate consideration. It’s just elitists flaunting their specialized knowledge.

Just because something is a real-world object doesn’t mean it needs to be exactly duplicated to be accepted in a fictional game world. If most players don’t find the difference blindingly obvious, there isn’t an issue with suspension of disbelief. There are facts far more common knowledge than which bullet goes with which gun that are ignored by most movies or story-heavy video games.

[ojcoolj]

@gapagos

Yeah, I’m sure that’s the thing that would make the least sense, in Half Life.
Gee, I mean monsters coming from another planet, a scientist slaughtering hundreds of marines who themselves were slaughtering American civilians, okay, but ON TOP OF THAT, you’d have an M16 use 9mm ammunition?
I mean we have to set a limit on how unrealistic a game can be…

You’re just trying to justify this, aren’t you? If you are, nice failure.
Anyway

1. There’s obviously going to be planets out there with creatures on them. Hell, the Xen creatures were never from Xen in the first place, and most of them are sub-primal fauna.
2. Marines wanted to cover it up. Gordon Freeman has weapons, and a rechargeable invincibility suit. He survived a close up blast of focused harmonic radiation that DISSOLVED scientists who touched it. That’s how powerful the HEV Suit is. And even after that, it wasn’t even depleted that far. It wasn’t even charged!
3. Yeah, we know that’s impossible

@joshka89

Well, when a marine can shotgun me from the dam and i can empty an MP5 clip on his buddy and not kill him, that feels pretty broken to me.
The HECUs can stand a few hundred feet back and kill me in a few seconds while I struggle to hit them with anything. Ramboing them just gets me killed and none of the guns the player gets are really effective beyond 50ft or so.

If the MP5 just didnt spread so much or at least did more damage than the glock it would all be fine.

It takes 2 seconds and no effort to just edit the .cfg and just change the game yourself, change the damage done by the MP5 if it bugs you so much

@Drowning witch

same here. I never accepted the hd textures for HL. they changed the feeling of the game too much for me.

Could you please explain? I don’t see how the weapons looking slightly more different could possibly effect immersion

@&RB&

Depends on the version of the M16, you can get an M16 that takes the 9 x 19mm Parabellum cartridges which is the same that Glock takes, and Glocks take just about every type of magazine that uses the same cartridge. So you could take an MP5 mag or a even the M16 9mm magazine and out it in a Glock and vice versa.

Colt 9mm SMG? That’s not an M16. Its based on the M16

@skyace65

but the hound eyes were never meant to be dangerous enemies. it seems that most of the stuff mod creators did was useless changes to combat mechanics to make it more difficult. crowbar got downgraded, pistol got downgraded, revolver stayed the same which I’m happy with, and the m16 got downgraded… what was the point of re-building fundamental half-life game play? its not faithful to the original or the second.

don’t get me wrong i want changes, in fact the stuff that’s been additions over existing game play has been great, the proper 02 counter, sprint, ADS, crowbar now properly hitting head crabs in the air. but i just cant stand how much the base mechanics have been changed, i wanted to play half-life not a different game. the new level areas alone make it different and interesting enough

Houndeyes were also never meant to be fought close range, no matter how bad they were

Point is: Any damage = Bad

I’d rather spam the pistol from range then go in close and risk damage just to kill it with a crowbar

Really? M16 got downgraded? It’s not in the game :I

@Bravetriforcer

So instead of the game making its own mark on the series by improving things in the devs’s visions, it should have blindly parroted the exact mechanics of the original for better or worse? BRB, making the Hivehand entirely mediocre, making Houndeyes wastes of dev time again and making grenades stick to the patch of ground they landed on.

@Bloodshot

Half-Life still exists. If you want to play Half-Life, go play Half-Life. And if you aren’t happy about Black Mesa, you can go change a lot of stuff yourself.

This. You can’t just go “ITS NOT ENTIRELY LIKE HALF LIFE D: D: D: D: REMAKE EVERYTHING”

@Rusty_S85

Maybe because some rifles do use pistol/revolver rounds?

Im looking at a lever action rifle and choices are .357 Magnum or .45 LC.

Lever Action Rifle =/= M16

@Rusty_S85

Yep. I say we have the MP5 lets use it but make it more useful. I spent half the game using either the cross bow or the .357 magnum revolver when dealing with soldiers. My second play through I did have fun using the MP5 shooting the fire doors crushing HECU grunts as well as rolling grenades under the almost closed door. Besides that the MP5 just seemed useless to me unless I was able to get head shots off on the HECU grunts.

Then go make it more useful

@Rusty_S85

I could careless also. MP5 or M16 I dont care, but I do care when someone acts the way this guy is. I know he is already on my shit list cause I do not respect those that lie.

Now on the topic of bringing the M16 back, I dont care. I just want the rifle to be made useful. Four HECU`s pop up and you go from 250 rounds down to just 50 rounds left. That seems a little on the excessive side to me.

He lied? Alright, he made a minor mistake, IF THAT
Just because nobody here wants the M16

And yeah, sorry for late ragepost, but some people were just throwing out terrible arguments

[GordonFreeManz]

I GOT IT!

Guys, I got the perfect solution.

Remember in Half-Life 2 how there’s the SMG1 and AR2?

Maybe the M16 could be like in the AR2 slot!

This way you could have the MP5, M16, Crossbow, and SPAS-12 at the same time!

A GENIUS SOLUTION!

Don’t you think?!

Then make the M16 have 30 Rounds and MP5 have 50 rounds out of a 250 9mm Cap.

Also maybe you could have 3 pistols…

A Glock 17, a Beretta M92FS, and a Colt Python?

Ah well, that’s what I think would be a solution for all the Half-Life 1 fans wanting HD pack and SD pack at the same time.

[Jack_Freeman]

All Half-Life 2 weapons were removed as far as I know.

[GordonFreeManz]

Yeah I know…

But maybe the Community could implement something that would let you be able to carry an MP5, M4A1 Assault Rifle, Crossbow, and SPAS-12.

And a Glock 17, Beretta M92FS, and a Colt Python.

And you can pick up a silencer for the Glock and M9.

[targ]

Guys, guys, I got it.

Replace this model with this one.