Interesting twist to the HL storyline, I like it.
wat. but. wha. fa. he! you! GORDON! GGGGGAAAAAABBBBBEEEEE!!!
I would hate to see Gordon become (or to find out that he was all along) the bad guy. :fffuuu:
You know, I thought this sounded a bit far-fetched until you got to:
Really sold me there.
I had enough mind control with bioshock.
It would be interesting (and cool)…And, at the first look, it looks like a logical theory…
BUT, if this is the case, then why the G-Man makes such a proposition to Gordon at the end of HL 1 (if he was already working for him?!) ? Indeed, when he talks to Gordon at this very moment, it looks like he is meeting him for the first time.
So I don’t think Gordon was working for the G-man for all the time, even if it looks obvious that he has been used.
And for the vortigaunt’s speech in HL2 (Gordon’s multiple faces and dark aspect), if think he is just refering to the fact that “the G-man is watching through Gordon’s eyes”.
To Ballsopt:
I’ve just read your posts on the other thread. It doesn’t look like the G-man is watching Gordon before the cascade. You can see him in the tram, then you see him arguing with some scientist (but not watching you), and that’s all.
I’d say that the G-man can’t act directly, neither control Gordon (Gordon has some kind of limited free will). He (G-man) is just exploiting Gordon’s habilities to survive and get through any kind of obstacles, “orienting” him, a bit like if he was playing with a mouse in a labyrinth.
In HL 1, his interest in Gordon grows little by little, as Gordon is getting further (when he should have been killed a thousand times). I don’t remember seeing the G-man help Gordon in HL 1 (contrary to Opposing Force etc…which were not made by Valve and are not, for the most (except the nuke) of them, part of Laidlaw storyline, as he has stated here: https://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114535 ).
In HL 1, Gordon is just trying to survive and, if possible, help the other scientists stop the “invasion/cascade/shit”.
Would you kindly catch that G-man? :3
[COLOR=‘DeepSkyBlue’]What are you talking about? Working for the Gman? Pfft.
I chose death via Alien Grunt Orgy. Screwed up your plans there didn’t I, you cheeky business man you.
It does seem plausible and would make an interesting plot twist but the ending of Half-Life means it can’t be unless G-man has some kind of memory loss and offers Gordon the job a second time.
Maybe it was this mysterious Gordan character I keep hearing about who was working for G-man all along…
I like the evil Freeman who was working for G-man all along and I also like good Freeman who was only forced to work for G-man at the end of Half-Life… but which is better? There’s only one way to find out…
I don’t get it. What do your arguments have to do with Gordon being the bad guy?
There’s some big holes in this theory;
shit was going wrong before gordon even showed up.
you never need to do anything you weren’t told to do. you flip a switch & push a cart.
if gordon was in on it, than why would gman need to hire him at the end of the game?
or threaten him with the choice?
what is the motive?
None of your points make Gordon look like a saboteur.
To answer all your points:
It doesn’t seem like Gordon’s working for G-Man. He watches you, but I think it’s just curiosity at first: he also doesn’t talk like you’ve met before.
-You wake up in all of them, and this means there’s a conspiracy? You have to start the game somewhere.
-It’s odd that Gordon’s late, but then a few things go wrong that day, like the stuff with the security system. I don’t see how that would help with Gordon’s nefarious plot though. The fact that he’s late doesn’t really hinder anything though, so I’m not sure why you say “the plan’s already in effect.”
-Equipment malfunctions, but again, what does this have to do with Gordon?
-For the Decay thing, again, what doesn’t this have to do with Gordon?
-Valve have explained why Gordon can’t talk (and there’s never really an occasion for him to write).
-“Seems” is pretty damn weak.
-You have an almost messianic reputation because you single handedly stormed through a giant secret facility, killing hundreds of aliens and evil government soldiers, then went to another world and beat down a giant flying baby. On top of that, you mysteriously came back after twenty years had passed, alive, and time doesn’t seem to have passed for you.
All of this makes about as much sense as the “Gordon FreeMan” ‘theory’.
rather than giving you the illusion of free choice im taking the liberty of choosing for you
G-man = Gamer man
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! Oh how I love Harry Hill.
Well actualy, there was a theroy going on a while ago. It was that G-Man is the contraction of… Gordon Freeman. From what we can understand, Gordon apparently used the technology of the Borealis to go back in time and save himself from whatever was supposed to happen since it didn’t happend. He would have then guided his past self to find the Borealis again and do the same thing, creating a time loop. For what? Well actualy, it’s the only flaw in the theory, since neither Gordon nor G-Man seems to have some sort of motivation. Maybe he wanted to live forever like Garland did in Final Fantasy with the four Fiends but it would be really stupid.
Not only that, but Gordon wasn’t a messiah at the start of HL2. In fact, you were a virtual unknown when you woke up in the train to City 17. Take a look at the citizenry when you explore the place. They don’t acknowledge you as a messiah or even someone out of the ordinary.
The Combine, if they knew what kind of person you were based on your actions at Black Mesa wouldn’t allow you free roam through the city, even mocking you to pick up a can and put it in the trash can. They’d’ve killed you on sight.
When you go through the apartment building, they still don’t know who you are, but you seem to be causing trouble for the Combine. Alyx herself doesn’t know you beyond the fact that you used to work at Black Mesa, but acknowledges your “troublemaker” status.
The messianic views of the citizenry was borne of the fact that you’re causing trouble for the Combine and surviving, giving them hope that they, too, might stand a chance. Remember, prior to your arrival, it was hopeless for them. Your arrival and survival made you into a messiah amongst some in the citizenry, even giving you the label “The One Free Man”, as in, you represent freedom.
Finally, when you get to the Follow Freeman chapter, you have a revitalized citizenry fighting on your side.
What doesn’t make sense to me in the course of the events of HL2 is the Seven Hour War. I mean, if the Combine were such a bad enough dude to take down all of Earth’s defenses and offenses in less time that it takes to put in a full day at the office, then how does the citizenry, even with His Crowbar’ness, stand a chance…and survive?
I guess one could make the argument that technology has advanced in the ~20 years since the War. They can use Combine weaponry that was unavailable to them prior to the Combine’s arrival. Hmmm…
I don’t think Gordon was a saboteur.
[COLOR=‘Black’]“Gordon TROLLman has returned!”
Highly successful troll. I ditched this flawed debate back in the suggestion box.