I’ve never heard the Piltdown Man argument and I can’t remember 2nd Law
Enlighten me 
I’m sure you can look them up online very easily. 
No, I think that various organisms evolved all over the world in the same way and in the same time… Wait, didn’t someone say that evolution is a random process, it needs specific conditions and is extremely unlikely to be repeated (not mentioning the same time)? Meh, just a minor glitch in my theory, isn’t it… 
I don’t understand how either of those points go towards disputing evolution…
Shock-horror, YARO’s misinformed about something!
Humans evolved in one place and then spread across the globe: there were various inlets and paths to the other continents way back then. They then evolved separately to adapt to the environments they lived in (such as Africans having a high melanin content in their skin to stop them from getting damaged by the sun).
Wooooah. Read the last conversation we had. Some of your “evolution specialists” said that it’s not adapting to the environment but just a random mutation… So if I’m really misinformed it’s only your colleague’s fault.
And if they were wrong then why people living in the Arctic or Greenland didn’t develop fur? Man, that would have been an obvious “choice” for the evolution…
My opinion:
Evolution is the truth, there is no such thing as a “God”, at least not in the way religions tell it.
IMO, the Bible is nothing more than a large book that was written 2000 years ago for the children, in an original way (first person narrative of each character) to teach them how to act in their life, to tell them to be nice, generous, etc.
It didn’t took 7 days to the earth to be as we know it today, but billion of years.
If there is a “God”, if life is not the result of randomness, if the first spark of life was created by someone or something, it was created by a superior entity, form of life.
You still don’t understand what evolution is?
It’s the adaptation to the environment through Darwinian law. It’s not conscious, animals don’t think “Oh, this is a bit of a drag, I’ll grow thicker fur”. Please tell me you at least know what Darwinian law is?
It’s not my colleagues’ fault you don’t understand. You should be ashamed that you don’t know any of this. You don’t have to be a “specialist”, as you so scathingly put it, to know about evolution. The way you treat people who actually put effort into understanding the universe is frankly appalling.
What Soup said, but also:
Random mutations are the cause of adaptation to the environments. Beneficial mutations increase the likelihood of survival, and will therefore persist. Detrimental mutation decrease the likelihood of survival and will therefore not persist.
Mutations that are neither beneficial nor detrimental may disappear or may persist depending on different factors.
By the way, people on the north pole or in Greenland didn’t need to grow fur, as they already had brains they could use to develop clothes and shelter.
When I spoke about our brain having more power than we need and adapting to the environment didn’t cover that I got slammed ‘because evolution is not adapting to the environment but just a random mutation’ (there was also some chit chat about nipples, balls outside the body etc). I’ve mentioned “adapting” multiple times - it was negated every time. So instead of accusing me of “not knowing the basics” you could just make up a common theory because right now it looks like you’re not talking about the same thing…
Each time I visit a zoo and/or a museum, I witness the results and effects of evolution.
Each time I visit a church, someone tells me what to do because a dubious character in a book said so.
Each time I visit a mosque, someone tells me something different on how to act because a dubious, camera-shy character in a book said so.
Each time a witness rings my bell, I don’t open.
Who needs theories when facts and evidence can be found anywhere outside of a religious building?
The problem here is you misunderstanding us, not us saying different things.
You were talking about adaptation as if it’s a conscious, voluntary, directed process.
However, that’s not the case, and we were trying to explain it to you by saying adaptations are the result of random mutations.
In summary, evolution is adaptation to the environment, but as a result of random mutations that do or do not survive as a result of environmental factors.
Having more brain power did help us adapt. Pretty damn obviously.
But what of nordic folks having longer (Or at least, bigger) noses than people in other regions…?
A longer nasal passage allows the air to warm before being processed in the lungs - Is that not an evolutionary bi-product? As you say, fur could be useful, but fur is not the only way to give a person an advantage.
There a termite that lives in snowy regions that has a natural anti-freeze in its blood, while termites that live in warm regions don’t… is that not evolution in action?
Evolution does not act in the way we expect it to, but it can be predictive to some extent. Yaro, it is a confusing topic to some degree, (at least I find it to be so at times) so if you are interested in konwing what it ACTUALLY says, not just parrot what others tell you about it, I would invite you to read “the Greatest Show on Earth” by Richard Dawkins. He explains it VERY well.
But what if it contains Science? YARO is distrustful of that kind of thing.
Heh.(Grin)
We all mistrust what we don’t understand to some degree - Some are better than others at finding out.
Yeah… there IS some science in the book, but a lot of good old fashion common sense as well. What started me looking to other explainations for life other than what is held in the bible, when a VERY intelligent co-worker and myself got into a discusion - He didn’t hack me or beat me with science - He simply asked, Why is the universe expanding then? We have evidence of this from Dopler red-shift in the lght spectrum.
I was slapped - there was actual evidence for this? I looked it up, and sure as sunshine, the fact was there. From there we continued on, and he was good enough to overlook my bias, and he was stragitegic, becuase he knew that too much of a jump at once would merely shut me down. (Shrugs)
I am glad I know the difference now - I see nature with much more appreciation. Who knows, maybe our good brother Yaro will come across a quesiton and answer that will start him on a quest for the truth…
This is getting old…
We’re saying that evolution isn’t a conscious process, so it doesn’t strife to do adapt; the adaption just happens.
It also just so happens that survival of the fittest (surely you must have heard of this?) ensures that the inferior genes die out, and secures the whole adaption thing.
Let’s say that there a a species of turtles, living near a river. Some of them have strong shields on their backs, some of them have weak shields.
The ones with the weaker shields are not able to withstand the bite of a crocodile, and are thus eaten and out of the picture.
Now that only the turtles with the strong shields are left, they are the ones who get to reproduce, and thus it’s the genetic properties of the strong shielded turtles that gets passed on to the next generation.
Hopefully you’re able to deduct what happens in the long picture.
It’s the same principle with breeding dogs, actually.
I probably haven’t got it covered 100%, but it gives a rough picture of what is happening.
Well I’d slightly alter the example:
There’s a species of softback turtles in a swamp somewhere, the turtles need to struggle for survival because there’s natural predators everywhere that can attack them with ease due to lacking protection.
One day, some eggs hatch, and one of the male young is some sort of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle and has a hard shell. He’s the weird little fellow of the nest, not like any of the other turtles. But it soon becomes obvious that this little turtle’s mutation comes in handy, because a lot of predators can’t overcome his hard shell, thus he remains safe while his brothers and sisters are getting eaten left and right.
The turtle grows older, and it’s time for him to reproduce. He’s one of the few males left of his generation, so he has an easy time finding a female to powerbomb through the ground. Months/weeks/days (however long it takes with turtles) later, the female he mated with lays eggs, and some time later, those eggs hatch. Half the young of that nest have inherited the mutation of their father, they too have hard shells. Those young have an easy time surviving as well (because of the hard shell, remember?), while the soft shelled ones are being picked off one by one.
Those hard shelled turtles that had an easier time surviving, now have a chance to mate as well. So now you have not one hard shelled turtle fucking the shit out of other turtles, but 10-20 turtles… The nests of those 10-20 will have another 10-20 mutated turtles, and so on and so on. After a long time, generation after generation, the soft shelled variation of that species is completely wiped out, the entire population in that area has evolved into a population with nothing but hard shelled turtles.
Now, let’s imagine’s that there’s still one predator out there that can sneak up on the turtles from behind and roundhousekick through their hard shells. The hard shelled turtles overcame the first obstacle by ruling out plenty of dangerous factors, but they aren’t 100% safe yet.
Now what if a hard shelled turtle is born with a prolonged nose for better smelling? A random mutation that hasn’t happened before, but it’s still there. Because of that nose, that specific turtle can smell the ninja predator and can sprint (lol) for cover before he gets killed. This specific turtle thus has increased chance of reproducing due to a longer life expectancy. It can now pass on its mutation to a new generation, rinse and repeat.
looking at all the chicken variations running around my yard is enough for me
oh, god, i swear, i lost about 60 IQ points from reading all the bullshit posts from page 1 to page 20; and now my brain hurts.
Bolteh - that… (sniff) that was beautiful man…
Seriously, well done.