He’s a fast one!
:retard: 
^you know that that’s not what christians believe, right?
at least not all of them 
Which is all I wanted. And were I interested in the subject, I’d be more than happy to slug it out.
Unfortunately, it seems that this topic, like most forum-based religious debates, would be better off dying.
Not quite. More, “you should be tolerant of intolerance if you’re intolerant yourself,” to use your terminology.
If you’re going to publicly take a stand against something, you’d better be prepared for others to publicly take a stand against you.
Yep. Like I said, I am gonna keep this open, and then any other post or thread that tends to stray to this area is going to promptly be merged with this one.
In my opinion, folks are going to insist on debating this to death and will take it to the point of insults and slurs. Might as well keep it all in one pile of goop.
“Eucharistic Shenanigans” is a great name for a religious debate megathread. I support this.
Wow, excellent points. Definitley not how I would have worded it, it was a bit too “scientific” or “atheist” oriented for my taste, but still a very well thought out and logical read.
Glad to see someone actually understands this. It’s not that hard to apply logic to faith, you just have to look at it from the right angle, and understand that there are some things that logic can’t prove now or ever. Even in science, there are things that we take in faith because they cannot actually be proven, and are simply considered to be the “most likely” at the time.
Please, if you are an atheist who doesn’t believe at all in a form of God and thinks it’s silly, that’s fine, but don’t act like it’s pure stupidity because it’s not. A lot of people who make this life decision have in face taken the time to think about it, looking at it from every angle and seeing where science fits into it all.
Pretty much everything in science is theory. Theory based on observations. The most likely theories (i.e., the ones with the least amount of suppositions, generally) are considered true, until something better comes along.
Same goes for the theory of evolution, and the big bang theory, which can’t be strictly proven either.
Besides, evolution has been seen in action in a small scale. One example of this are bacteria that gained certain features after a number of generations.
Another is a new subspecies of birds on the same islands where Darwin first made his observations on evolutions.
Yes, evolution has been successfully observed. Some people tend to avoid mentioning this in debates about human evolution. The theory revolves around the patchy information we have related to how/if/in what way humans evolved. The problem is that less than 1% of data that can be used to deduce our origins have been destroyed by time, and we have only rudimentary ways of finding evidence.
I think it is a shame that so many people won’t accept the beliefs of others. why can’t some (and I emphasise the word some- not all) Christians accept that being atheist does not make you evil. why can’t people learn to love their fellow man? and why can’t so many atheists learn that religion (especially Christianity) is not about hatred, or telling people that their going to eternal fire because their beliefs are different to yours, or whipping oneself, or waging war on “unbelievers” just because some people nowadays take such a perspective, and not everyone believes that God is an evil, fiery hatemonger who loves to send gays and atheists to hell- God loves everyone and hates to send people to hell. just because some “Christian” cults teach these sort of things does not mean that is the general belief, or even the truth. I/we believe that God sends evil people to hell e.g. hitler, sexual or religous orientation has nothing to do with salvation. Get it right! religious fundamentalists as well as atheists.
oh and for the record, I’m a pious Catholic, who was raised an atheist.
-Pax Christi, Deus Caritas Est.
You’ve been making sensible points up until now. I don’t see how faith has any logic, since by its very definition it defies logic.
Scientific theories that can’t be proven are often held to because they make sense in the grand theme of things. Not ‘make sense’ in a ‘wouldn’t it be grand’ way, but in the way the theory fits with the current scientific laws.
I’m not shitting on your faith here, I just think logic is the wrong way to go about validating it.
I’m not one who likes to argue about religion, evolution, creation, ect. but I like to think of the Big Bang Theory and creation like this…
I have a trash bag out in my backyard. One day I put a bunch of different and random types of scrap metals into it and shake the bag violently. I keep doing this for about two weeks. Until one day I shake the bag and I hear no clanging sounds coming from it. I open the bag and l find that with all the metal and the shaking I had created a beautiful watch. I hold the watch in my hand and think “wow I have created this watch in a random fashion with no real work put into at all. This is completely random!”
Now can you do this in real life? No you can not. A watch of that value and beauty has to come from somewhere. It has to be made by someone. Possibly a creator? Like a watchmaker.
This is basically the same thing as the big bang theory and with the creation of our world and universe. Matter can’t just appear out of pure random fashion.
Big bang theory isn’t, as far as i know, a “creation” theory. It says nothing at all about what happened “before” the big bang, i.e. what “started” it.
No scientist would argue that theory proves an omnipotent God didn’t create the universe by producing a big bang.
Basically scientists looking at the current state of the universe extrapolated backwards as far as they could, to find the conditions that would have caused the current state. The consensus they reached is that, the earliest they are capable of deciphering, the universe was infinitely dense and then “exploded” in the big bang.
Can we please stop all these religious threads on here?
They lead to nothing.
Religion is a good thing, because it helps a lot of people live their lives and cope with their problems.
That is good.
What’s bad is extremists.
Anyone forcing their believes or lack there of on someone is bad.
Anyone using religion as an excuse for war or murder or anything that harms other people is bad.
These are extremists.
I don’t believe in any form of religion and that’s my opinion.
I need no one to proove to me that there is a god or that there is not.
I do not tolerate extremism and/or plain stupidity.
Do not feed the extremists by starting threads like these.
END OF THREAD
EDIT: Writing all that on my smartphone made my fingers go ouch…
If you have nothing to contribute the door is located to the right.
I might have worded that wrong. If you go back a few of my posts, you’ll notice I point out 2 current and highly believed scientific theories and connected them directly to 2 well known parts of the Bible. What I meant by that statement, I think, was not that logic can be directly applied to religion, but that logically thought out conclusion can be fit easily into religion like pieces in a puzzle if you take the time to look at it.
That, or I was making statement against those people who keep screaming that people with faith are ignorant idiots.
I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking the moment I wrote that, but here are some more detailed explanations of what I mean when I try to connect logic to religion.
Also, to those of you trying to “stop” it because the thread is pointless, if you filter out all the nonsense people who are screaming about how either religious people are morons or how atheists are all cold hearted jerks, you can actually get some really insightful and interesting discussion going.
You all stopped reading my post after the first line, rite?
I only ever read just the first line. Specially threads created in the last week.
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I responded to the whole thing, although in a more general manner and applying to everyone who said something along those lines. While yes the response does tell you to stop saying it like everyone else’s, it says it in a much nicer way and addresses the issue of extremists you brought up.