Embryonic stem cell research

#41

I’m pro stem cell research, I can definitely see the drawbacks, but the pros outweigh the cons by a good bit.* On a related note that we’re touching on (more like running headlong into) I’m either pro-life with some exceptions, like rape cases, or pro-choice with a lot of restrictions. If you’re using abortion as a form of birth control, you should have used a fucking condom. Put the kid up for adoption. The discomforts of pregnancy are your own fucking fault.

*Edit: doing some research (I’m not that educated on the subject at all) if you can take the sample without hurting the embryo, then I don’t see the cons at all. Where’s the issue here?

#42

Thank “God” Obama, who is pro-Stem Cell Research, is in charge now.

Now if only that Stimulus Package and those bailouts actually did something good to the economy…

#43

plus stem cell research would benefit the health world by providing people who suffered major lacerations, broken bones, major organ damage, and other major problems a way to heal and survive

#44

Which, unfortunately, doesn’t help the overpopulation problem…

#45

Which is why the conservatives need to shut the hell up on multiple fronts so birth control can become more widespread, thereby helping to decrease the rate of overpopulation and keeping already alive people alive longer.

#46

I haven’t read through this entire thing, but reading the first post it says that stem cell research in embryos is eugenics. So the fuck what? Where is the harm in uegenics? You call it immoral, so what are morals?

In my view morals is what hurts society or people. Who does uegenics hurt? It IMPROVES society. Imagine a kid who is born with a terminal condition. He goes through his entire life taking painful treatments and counting down the days until he dies. Now say somebody discovers his condition while he is an embreo (I know we dont’have the ability to do this now, this theoretical) his mom gets an abortion, a few years later she gets a healthy happy child. And the aborted embryo was never self aware, it was never capable of pain or happiness, it never regretted dying. So was is the immorality? Nobody got hurt, nobody suffered (except perhaps the parents but they would have suffered more nurturing a dying child).

Embryos can’t feel regret, they can’t say, “I don’t want to be used for stem cell research.”, and they have the potential to save lives.

#47

I think that umbilical cords should be kept after births and used as research/medical tools.

I’m kinda torn as far as Embryonic stem cell research goes. Yes, it would save lives. But it would also be taking a life. Sure, not one that’s concious by the time it dies, but every life is precious. And as for your example, garthbartin, what if they can find a cure for the kid’s condition? If it’s before he dies, he has his life ahead of him. If it’s after he dies, and as a result of research on his body, he’s saved many lives, more than his embreyo could ever have, and then his parents can be proud of him, even though his time was short.

I dunno. I don’t think abortions are something that should be done. As soon as an egg is fertilized, it becomes a living being. And as I’ve said, life is precious. If the fetus dies before birth, then use the corpse for research, by all means. But don’t kill it. It is alive.
I’d also like to point out that I want my organs to be donated for medical uses when I die.

#48

Why?
It’s a set of proteins (albiet extremely complex abd long) that by chance created something that can move reproduce and act after a set of rules. The reason life is precious is because it often comes with the ability to be happy and the ability to fear or suffer. I find I cannot completely articulate my thoughts but I hope this can give you an idea.

#49

I suddenly find myself liking you more and more garthbartin.
In a totally non-gay way of course.

#50

An embryo is not a human being. It is an embryo. Only after a certain amount of time can it be considered a human being, which is well after the stage where they’d use it for stem cell research, I believe.

#51

Life is percieved as precious due to the extremely responsive human survival instinct. Since we all have this instinct and can relate to the dread of dying, the concept of life has become a holy one.

#52

A little late, but @ the whole hitler thing: as much as I wish he had never been born, I wouldn’t fuck with history. Who knows what might happen.

#53

Yeah, as atrocious as WW2 was, a lot of good things came out of it too.

#54

Like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights IIRC.

#55

HAHA, oh wow. 4chan is a beast to be reckoned with.

#56

They can now use stem cells from severed umbilical cords

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#57

According to political philosophy not biological science. Science shows that a human being starts at conception, you should be able to remember 7th grade hygiene class right? It’s that simple. Human life starts at conception and SHOULD end at a NATURAL death, there’s no question about it. If you don’t know go see a prenatal development video to jaunt your memory.

Sperm have 23 chromosomes, Eggs have 23 chromosomes therefore are not human. It is when they are joined together they form a human. It’s the most basic biology, I don’t understand how some people can ignore that. Person hood should start at conception because 3 weeks after conception there is a heart beat, 6 weeks after conception, brainwaves can be measured. at 8 weeks the bab can feel, at 11 weeks the baby can jump around in his or her amniotic sac. If you look at ultrasounds and videos of pregnancy you would realize that human life definitely starts at conception. Life is beautiful.

and like JeffMod said:

#58

How ironic that the only post ITT short enough for me to bother read, is the one post that renders the rest of the thread irrelevant.
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#59

7th grade? Hygiene class? These things have no meaning to me. I’m not from the U.S. or Canada.

At conception, it is a cell. A bit later it’s two cells, then four cells, etc.
In early stages, an embryo resembles a fish more than it does a human being. A bit later it resembles a sheep more than it does a human.

Besides, as pointed out before, since the embryo is created especially for stem cell research, it would not have existed outside of that research, rendering the whole life issue moot.

Also, if it’s true:

#60

Their age doesn’t make the person any less of a human being, their physical description are predetermined at conception. No matter the age, a human is a human no matter how small.
Oh and: https://www.youtube.com/user/ehdvideos#p/u/0/VjhFNEV6shY

I already said that they can use it from umbilical cords in the first post. It’s not embryonic stem cells. The umbilical cord is attached to the small intestines where adult stem cells are produced and circulated around the placenta and umbilical cord. So pretty much my point is that stem cell research is good as long as the baby is not killed in the process. We all know now that stem cells are produced in the small intestine so why use a child at the time they are small zygotes? We don’t need to because we’ve have all we need in our bodies. I am sure that doctors will figure out a way to control how a stem cell is used. I mean if someone can clone their own lung and place it inside their body to heal themselves from Cancer, it’s only a matter of time before they figure out a way to use it to repair someone’s spinal cord.

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