Desire to build a gaming rig

I’ve been using laptops for the past 5 years and as a result my gaming has become primarily console focused.

With Black Mesa and Starcraft 2 around the corner, I’d really like to get myself back into PC gaming, but with one problem: I don’t have a desktop that was built after the beginning of this century.

I’ve lurked these forums for some time now and see that there are a few of you on here who really know your shit when it comes to computers, and I really don’t know that much about the tech I need to built something that’s up to date.

I want to be able to run games on high settings, but it’s just as important to me that I have something affordable, $750 would be great (obviously, ignoring the price of a monitor). I’ve also never built a computer before, but my friends tell me that custom is the way to go (both for affordability and later customization).

So can you folks give me a hand? Be it a list of specs I should buy or just pointers in general, I really appreciate any help!

Thanks.

First of all: welcome to the forums! If you want high-end stuff but don’t want to pay too much all I can say is go for ATI GPU’s and AMD CPU’s. I am currently using an AMD Phenom II X4 965 and an ATI HD 5770 and they serve me very well. The rest is up to you I guess but do post when you find a build that you think you want to buy.

If you need more direction than simply a post with a few pointers, feel free to PM me. I’m on BMS forums every day.

Core i5 + ATI

AMD Phenom II + ATI

I’ve been lurking myself for well over a year now but I couldn’t resist responding to this one.

I just got my system up and running about six months ago for about $1200. My biggest suggestion would be to look at newegg first. I bought everything from them because they have an awesome reputation and they sell their stuff dirt cheap compared to everyone else. They usually have combo deals and promo codes that drive the price down even further too.

For a CPU, I’d recommend something out of the AMD Phenom II line. The 955 Black Edition is AMAZING and about 1/4 the price of a comparable Intel CPU. I would have gotten the 965 but it came out about a week after I bought mine. It still destroys anything I throw at it though. Most of the compatible motherboards come with decent on board graphics with HDMI outputs too. I haven’t saved up for a really high end dedicated card yet but my on board is running Fallout 3 on high settings without much trouble.

Just make sure you check EVERYTHING for compatibility before you buy. If you have any questions just PM me.

Last year, I got my system from nothing to how it is right now for about 120$ CAD

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I’m bad, man.

Make sure you get the compatible MoBo to go with what ever CPU you get. And I agree, look into newegg. I got several of my computer parts from them. Also, I have no idea what you could get for $750, but if you think you might go over budget with one of those CPU’s get something like a E7400 intel. I use that and it works for me just fine. I also have a Radeon 4650 HD and while those two things aren’t anywhere near the top of the line, my computer can play just about any game. I can even play Crysis on High settings if I wanted to just fine (but I don’t because the cutscreens get choppy).

Yeah, where did you get the i5? It would have had to have been either used or stolen since they’re still around $200 US. They’re only clocked at 2.66Ghz too. The 965 is 3.4Ghz and only costs $180. The Intel equivalent is i7-975 Extreme Edition which only clocks at 3.33GHz and costs $970.

On a side note, has anyone seen the new six cores? I could get one… if I sold my entire system…

First thing’s first, I third the motion for newegg. Even if you don’t decide to buy from them, they’re a great resource for researching parts and reading reviews. They’re the first place I look to now when buying computer parts. Generally, they’re pretty cheap, too, and they ship pretty fast, as long as you don’t choose the free shipping option (not speaking from personal experience though).

Anyway, just thought I’d share a few tips that I was told when I first started out building my own PC after a Power Supply failure that fried everything (curse you, eMachines!)

1. Choose your processor (CPU) and your motherboard together. The biggest decision you’ll probably make is choosing a good processor/motherboard combo, since you’ll be suck with those pieces of hardware longest after buying them, whereas with just about everything else, you can swap out and upgrade as you please, later on. Since they go hand in hand, Don’t ultimately decide on one until you’ve decided on the other as well. It’s good to choose a processor first, and then look for motherboards that support that processor, but if the motherboards that support it don’t have the features you want, or if they’re just too expensive, it might be prudent to just look at motherboards for a while, forgetting about the processor you initially picked. Once you find a few motherboards that you think you might like, see what kind of processors they support, and go on from there, until you’ve found the pair that you want.

2. Features to keep in mind when buying a motherboard: What kind of CPU socket, how many hard drives it supports (ATA or SATA), how much RAM it supports, what kind of RAM it supports (DDR, DDR2, DDR3, etc… do yourself a favor: do not get DDR) how many RAM slots are available, how many PCI-e slots are available (used for graphics cards, mostly), how many PCI slots are available (for network/audio/TV tuner/etc. cards), and what kind of on-board video/audio it has. It’s not really necessary to get a board with an amazing on-board video chip, since you should be buying a dedicated video card anyway (especially since this is a gaming rig) but it’s a good thing to take note of, and might actually come in handy if your dedicated graphics card (or even just your graphics card cable) ever craps out on you in the distant future.

Also, since this is a gaming rig, you’ll need to decide now on whether or not you want more than one graphics card. If you want to link two cards together (called “SLI” for nVidia cards, and I forget what AMD/ATI calls their linking technology…) you’ll need a motherboard with at least two PCI-e slots. Even if you don’t want to, or even if it doesn’t fit the budget right now, it might be something to keep in mind for the future. Otherwise, if you plan on buying a new motherboard before you buy a second graphics card, you’ll only need one PCI-e slot, and boards with only one PCI-e slot can sometimes be a tad cheaper.

3. When buying a graphics card, money is really the only issue. People will most likely be arguing for/against nVidia vs. AMD/ATI until the end of time. But in both cases, more $$$ = more power, and buying tomorrow’s technology today can sometimes get insanely expensive. Don’t be afraid to buy yesterday’s technology if you have to, to stay in your budget — doing this can actually save you a bundle — just decide on a price you think you’re willing to spend, and then find a card around that price that seems to offer a good amount of power for the cash you’re spending. Then, just make sure to read the reviews, maybe google for screenshots of games that were taken using the card you’re thinking about buying, search for things like “nvidia card x vs ati” or “ati card y vs nvidia” to see how well it stands up to the competition, that sort of thing.

Something to consider. Both Nintendo and Microsoft used ATI chips for the GameCube, the Wii, and the Xbox 360. PlayStation 2 used some chip designed specifically by Sony, but it does look similar to nVidia technology (IMHO), and PlayStation 3 actually uses an nVidia chip. I’m not saying which one is better, because if you spend enough cash on either, both can look amazing, but I do think it’s interesting to at least see the technology in action. I have no clue if the benchmarks prove this, (depends more on the card than the brand, I think) but generally, I’ve heard that ATI is better at doing things like anti-aliasing, whereas nVidia’s strength lies in rendering more polygons. I would have gone for an ATI, personally, had it not been for the fact that nVidia cards had better support in Linux, though I’m not sure if this is still the case anymore, since I haven’t worked in Linux for a good while now.

4. Get the Power Supply Unit (PSU) last, after you’ve decided on everything else. The reason for this, is so you can be sure to get one that will provide enough power (as well as the right connections) to all of the other hardware you’ve selected to purchase. There are calculators available online (like here and here) that make it fairly easy to determine roughly the amount of wattage you’ll need. You just select what hardware you have (or would like to have… remember, keep the future in mind! Better to get a more powerful supply than you need, than to under-power your rig) and see roughly how much wattage will be required. Anywhere from 400 to 500 watts should do fine for a budget gaming rig, I think. Then again, my budget gaming PC is about two years old, so things may have changed, you might need more or less. Just make sure to leave yourself plenty of room for upgrading and/or adding hardware in the future, but at the same time, don’t go overboard and (for example) get a power supply that powers more hard drives (or any other part) than you can fit on your motherboard or in your case.

Those are the four biggest decisions you’ll probably make when building your computer: CPU, Motherboard, Graphics, and Power Supply.

After that, (and these are fairly minor decisions… just read reviews and make up your own mind, find stuff that fits the budget, etc.!) you’ll want a [url=‘https://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=15&name=Hard-Drives’]hard drive/url, a CD/DVD-ROM drive(s), a network card (unless your motherboard has one built-in), possibly a dedicated audio card (although people can argue for/against the need (or lack thereof) for dedicated audio cards forever… I personally don’t have one, my on-board audio is just fine for me), fans, and a case with good airflow that fits everything. Make sure the case you get fits the form-factor of your motherboard. (MicroATX is probably the most common, it’s about the size of your average Dell tower. Standard ATX is a bit large, better for home servers/closet computers than for desktop/gaming machines IMHO, but you do get more PCI slots that way. It’s up to you.)

That’s really all there is to it. Select your stuff, order it, open it, throw it all in the case, plug in the power/ribbon/SATA cables, twist a bunch of screws, power it up, install your operating system, choose a desktop wallpaper, fire up Steam… you’re good to go. Hope at least some of that helps. Good luck! :slight_smile:

My personal opinion when it come to a chip set is NVIDIA as opposed to ATI. The system I built before my current one had an ATI card and along with it came allot of problems. My laptop has an ATI graphics card right now and there are so many problems when it comes to trying to install Ubuntu video drivers for the ATI card. My current desktop is all NVIDIA and had not one problem since I built the system back in late 2007. Plus the cards (I’m running SLI) that I am running now when I bought them were little over 300 bucks a pop. Now those same cards are right around a 100 bucks (If you can find them) if not cheaper. And they can run any game just fine that has come out to date. (So far anyway… It’s almost time for an upgrade.)

https://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130303
That’s my card and has great reviews.

When I built my current desktop I was amazed that I had to choose what video card I wanted to go with before choosing my motherboard. I’m almost sure that it is the same way today. So whether you go with ATI or NVIDIA make sure it’s something you want to stick with the life of the rig. Because if you get an NVIDIA based chip set motherboard you can’t switch to ATI unless you get another motherboard with an ATI chip set.

Just make sure YOU do your OWN [u][b]research[/b][/u]  Buy computer hardware magazines and read their reviews on hardware. If you don't understand what they are saying about certain hardware (For example it was hard for me to grasp RAM specs when it came to latency, timing and speed.) Don't just dive right in and buy buy buy. Go to Newegg.com and read reviews there. Anything you can do to learn as much as you can to build a quality system for your price range... do it.

Edit

I was just curious when you refer to ATI you put AMD in front? I haven’t done any research yet. Nut does Intel not support ATI anymore? I have an AMD processor and nVidia chip set and graphics card. So I was just wandering about the AMD/ATI combo.

ATi has a better preformance to price ratio. If ur on a budget get a 5770 or 5850.

I don’t have a core i5, my PC is a 3ghz(overclocked) core 2 duo with 2gb 1066mhz ddr2 and a 8800GT, pretty old by today’s standards but 1 year ago it was awesome, also manufacturers still get away with selling similar specs at a higher price.

Very soon I’ll have a radeon HD5770 and 4gb ram.

@Guzzi: Amd bought out ATI, so technically ATI is now AMD gaming or somesuch.

Don’t get a 5850. 2x 5770s in Crossfire (essentially linked together) offer comparable performance for less.

on AMD versus Intel:
at the $200 dollar price point, get an i5. Excellent performance for a good price.
anything below $200, AMD offers far superior price/performance. Intel processors are good too, but they’re generally more expensive than their AMD counterparts.

The intel i7 is also a beast processor, but the only way I’d recommend it is if you’re using 3 or more gpus, because otherwise it offers nearly identical game performance and similar desktop performance. If you go the i7 route, the only one you should consider is the 920. The clock speed jumps for the other ones aren’t worth the extra cash, and you can easily overclock it. But I highly doubt you’ll go for the i7, because it costs too much for your range and I doubt you’ll be getting three graphics cards.

anyway, a quick $750 list here:
ATI Radeon 5770 - $170
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447&cm_re=5770--14-150-447--Product
Intel core i5 - $200
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215&cm_re=i5--19-115-215--Product
550W modular power supply - $65
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
Note: I’m not the best at guesstimating power draw, may want to confirm with someone else.
4 gigs DDR3 - $107
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193
640 gig HDD - $75.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
HDDs are easily upgradeable and relatively cheap. Capacity depends on how much you’re storing - music, movies, games, pictures. If you’re storing tons of movies, you may need more. Otherwise, that should be pretty good.
Case- you should use your best judgement here, this is what your box is going to look like. Choose a good quality one, it should last you for a while. Hopefully many builds to come. Make sure you get ATX, midtower or full tower. Midtower is probably best for the average gamer. $100 is probably plenty unless you’re being really extravagant.
a few popular ones:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
P55 mobo - $140
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157172
DVD burner - $25
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030

total is around $830, assuming a $50 case. At that price point, you’re probably better off with AMD processors, but I have less experience there, so someone else’ll have to help you :wink: You may even be able to squeeze in another 5770 if you play your cards right.

I agree with most of Shrikes suggestions with a couple exceptions:

Like I said, you don’t have to get $200 CPU’s. I got an E7400 this past summer for $109 or so. For the same price you could get An E7500 or an i3 for $20 more. In any case that knocks close to a hundred off of Shrike’s estimate. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc…205007&bop=And .

As far as Graphics cards you can get a Radeon 4850 HD for as little as $95 from Sapphire’s line. That takes off about another $74 from Shrike’s estimate. I guarantee you that it can play most anything out on the market as far as gaming goes, I know because I am running a 4650 HD, and its not as powerful, but can still run really graphic intensive games like Crysis smoothly.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc…nd&Order=PRICE
I am telling you for a fact that the CPU’s and GPU’s that I suggested are more than adequate to handle just about anything out there.

Don’t forget the OS! I haven’t heard anyone mention anything about an OS so far. Remember this is a completely new computer, not just an upgrade.
https://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg…rating-Systems

Remember folks, he just needs a decent one to start out with. His budget is $750, and your estimate has to include atleast $100 for an OS. That gives you $650 to work with. He can get a case for between $30-$50. That leaves you with $600-$620 to work with. He can worry about upgrading later when he gets some more cash on hand. He doesn’t NEED a i5 or i7 right off the bat, neither does he NEED a Radeon 5000 series graphics card right off the bat. Lets just help him get the best computer for what he can afford, and then he can upgrade things later when he has more money.

EDIT: ALSO, remember to sign up for Newegg’s newsletters. They advertise some of their best sales exclusively in the newsletters. They typically have a sale newsletter every weekend or so. Its been awhile since I checked the email that I signed up for updates on. With the Easter Holiday coming up I wouldn’t put it past them to have a really big sale in the newsletter, so sign-up now.

EDIT2: Also, don’t forget the price of a Keyboard, mouse, speaker/headphones. They’ll be nothing in price when compared to other components, but they can still add up depending on what you get, so if anyone else has anymore estimates, don’t forget to include a little wiggle room for that.

Don’t forget the OS. A copy of Windows 7 is around $100 and as far as I can tell, newegg quit selling Vista and xp. I also second building the system around the CPU. Once you know that it’s just a matter of picking a motherboard and the rest is easy(-ish).

It’s also important to remember that multi core CPUs running at high clock spends generate a ton of heat. So when you pick out a case make sure you get one with plenty of room and cooling fans. The Antec 300, 900, and 1200 are the best in my opinion. I built a system with the 300 for my parents and it suits their needs fine. If you want something with more room and slightly more cooling, look into the 900. If you’re like me and want something that you can practically crawl into and live in, check out to 1200. It also doubles as a wind tunnel.

As for the PSU, go with 650 Watts at a MINIMUM. It’s always better to have some overhead to work with if you ever choose to expand. If you cut it to close you won’t be able to run the system at it’s maximum loading and you’ll lose a lot of performance. Don’t be afraid of it running up the electric bill if you go bigger either. The PSU is rated for max continuous Wattage, so it actually only ever draws what it needs up to that level. Don’t forget to look really hard at the connectors as well. Most of the motherboards are 24 pin now but some of the PSUs still only come with 20 pins.

EDIT: ninja’d on the OS :frowning:

I’d say a phenom IIx2 unlocked to 2x4 if you can, with an Radeon 4850, will probably be able to play both Starcraft 2 and Black Mesa, and be ridiculously cheap

You guys are awesome. This has been hugely helpful. Clearly, I have a ton of research I need to do but thanks so much for all of your help!

I may be PMing some of you who offered that I could here in the near future.

Thanks again, folks.

EDIT: Also, 750 is for all the specs inside the case only. Ignore OS and accessories, I’ve got that covered already. It seems like a lot of you guys concluded that, but I figured I’d add it anyhow.

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