Black Mesa Valvetime review

The review may be biassed and overly critical, but to discard it offhand is not wise. Yes, the review overwhelmingly focused on the negative and a lot of negative points were exaggerated or outright false, but a lot ring very true just the same. I get that most people here like Black Mesa, just like I like Black Mesa. We wouldn’t be here if we didn’t. But we help no-one by pretending it’s perfect nor by denying some of its very obvious shortcomings.

So, no, this isn’t a good review, but neither is it good to claim everything it criticises is completely the opposite. And honestly… I agree with the final closing line. Black Mesa is at its greatest when it manages to recapture Half-Life. I just wish it did that more often. There’s always the future and patches are undoubtedly coming.

Make controversial review.
Get more clicks.

I agree with ValveTime, totally.

The VA direction is poor, the loading times kills the fun and makes you willing to take a walk or make a sandwich to kill the time, moving the weapons… well these are choices… surely I thought to having left the crowbar behind me at first.
But anyhow, even with some flaw this is a great mod and deserves to be played, by far the most waited mod for myself, and the best fps since half life.

Sad thing I have to shurg at my LCD every minute if I dare to find a constructive criticsm to BM.

I’m not going to say anything else because I don’t want to flame, but YOU, Mr. “ZeRo” make me VERY willing to flame.
Anyhow, keep up the valuable job BMdevs, I’m loving this mod! :wink:

Well, I actually do agree with Some of the points in the review.
There are things that could’ve been done better.
However I think the review was a tad bit unfair. There was so much complaining, constantly, when in the end you basically say it’s a good game and that everyone should play it. It just doesnt match up.

If you at the least would give as much good feedback as negative you would be seen as a fair reviewer. And constructive feedback didnt exist at all.

We all still have to remember that this is a free mod from a team earning no money for it. Take Blizzard as an example - the reviews of diablo 3 were pretty much all very good and people felt nostalgia etc etc. But as far as I’m concerned, most of the biggest fans of the diablo series has already quit playing it because it didnt live up to the hype (me included). When not even the biggest game company in the world can satisfy the true fans without patching the game - how can you expect an unpaid team creating a free mod to do it? Give the devs a chance to change some of the things that they feel need a change after all the constructive feedback the community gave them.

The issue is whether the review was good or not.
The fact that ValveTime decided to ignore the good features of the game because other sites already pointed out how they liked the good features. So ValveTime thought it prudent to ignore the good features and concentrate on everything they perceived to be negative in their review.
This seems a very strange decision for a review, since obviously a review is supposed to provide an assessment of the game.
So if only the negative points are presented, then obviously this doesn’t provide an assessment since these aren’t taken in context of the game overall, or balanced against any positive features.
With even all that aside, I would think if they pursued the negative review structure then it’d be prudent to point that out within the review, to avoid any misunderstanding and criticism.
The closest they have come to this is a retrospective explanation here in the forums, which doesn’t rectify the problem as the review is still there.

Draw your own conclusions as to why, but I don’t think it’ll have their desired effect.

To the review, I have to say that it is simply ridiculous that we are now discussing the point where to get the crowbar…while every Call Of Duty title scores 80 to 90 out of 100 points! If you must be that picky to find negative aspects, I’m pretty sure that BM has to be a high quality product.

On the other hand, this is a god damn opinion. I have my own opinion about Black Mesa, I find good aspects and bad aspects. I agree with some points in the review, I disagree with many others. Is it biased? Yes, like every other opinion. In short, just the usual business. You just have to get along with the fact that there are people outside with different views, even if they seem stupid or narrow minded to you, and to be honest, this is the case for me here.

Then again, as much as I appreciate you, James Rossi, to comment on the criticism here in a nice and friendly way, I really find it hard to buy your “I hope other people reject my opinion etc. etc.” argument. Frankly, what you do, and that is of course a legitimate way to get clicks, is what a media company often does. You post a controversial review, and you knew before that this shitstorm is going to happen, to get attention, based on the fact that people usually defend their favourite games/music/whatever with their virtual lives once their favourite toys are attacked. This is old stuff, and there is no need for pseudo-intellectual explanations about why the world needs reviews. The whole concept of a review is not primarily about informing people, which is a sometimes nice side effect, it’s about the media earning money with clicks, buys whatever and about authors being eager to make a mark! And a controversial opinion helps, see thread!

Seriously, this is the other part of what is going wrong today. It’s not just the games, it’s how people are directed to like and hate things by reviews!

LolValvetime.

I can’t believe they’re the hub point to everything Valve related.

I watched it up to the point when they said the voice acting and narrative is subpar. The voice acting and narrative is actually BETTER than the original imo. The NPCs have more dialogue, and the voice acting is just as good, if not better (although the HECUs are down to preference, I actually like them just as much as the originals). I agree with the AI being inconsistence, and way too aware, but everything else they said is absolute bullcrap.

The voice acting is twofold. Most of the time it’s pretty good. But you can tell that they had only one male voice actor, and HECU marines sound better in Half-Life. It’s a free mod made by fans. What do they expect?
But the narrative? It’s excatly like Half-Life.

pinkribbonscars:

The voice acting and narrative is IMO subpar compared to Half-Life 2/ Portal 2, but compared to Half-Life 1, this statement is nothing but a less funny joke.

That’s what a reviewer does when has to review something which was expected to be a masterpiece even before the launch.
So cheer it up because ValveTime took your beloved modification as something valuable, and not as the average mod as the previous they reviewed.
But you’ve to know this.
Unfortunately, for ValveTime, there is a lot of ignorance and arrogance around lately; and don’t take it personal because I’m talking of everything!

It’s a great review. It throws apart the personal feelings and pull out all the criticism this mod deserves, and it’s done professionally: stating out one-by-one all the dark sides of the game that you miss at the first hyped playthrough.
I hope (and I think since they seem to know the heck they’re doing with their reviews) that they will not take down the video, which is just the silly request of a bunch of fanboys who pasted the link to their buddy and raged against, without understanding, it.

As final note I’m expressing my own opinion and whether or not I defended ValveTime I did it because I felt offended by comments full of hate against a good review that doesn’t stands with the masses but tries to tell what’s good and what’s wrong in a game.
Furthermore you missed the fact that they compared the game to Half Life, as it it’s supposed to be a remake of it. Getting a B- on remaking one of the best pc game ever developed, is not bad at all. But this is something you can’t get, isn’t it? You’ve to stick on BM a triple A, isn’t it?
I apologise for the sarcasm.

How can you be personally offended by criticism against a review you have not been involved in? We’ve now officially reached the next level :wink:

James Rossi, thanks for taking the time to come here and discuss the review and answer questions. I’m sure many people here appreciate that as much as I do.

That said, there are those that don’t appreciate it and try to derail this thread into a flamewar. Because of that, some posts vanished. I would also like to emphasize that this thread is for civil, thoughtful discussion.

From now on, nobody will insult or cricize in this thread without substantial arguments, or otherwise obstruct the continuation of thoughtful debate. Thanks!

But most of the scientists and security guards sounded the same in Half life 1, aswell. Plus they added female scientists in BMS. HECUs voice acting was also great. Certainly not “subpar”.

Comparing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9g1UWn_os0#t=0m46s

To this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9g1UWn_os0#t=2m26s

That’s certainly not subpar in my honest opinion.

HECU comparison:

Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fhu72Ygghg

BMS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVPAzthlE-Y

Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD_dGyvAyvo#t=0m45s

BMS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIV6Zs7R-t8#t=2m46

Again, far from subpar. :expressionless:

@RicheyEdwards
I had opinions about how Black Mesa presented themselves and how they have handled the development. I honestly wasn’t going into the game hoping to have the opinions I ultimately formed. I don’t really want to go too much into it, but I dislike my opinion being totally disregarded because of some imagined grudge.

My praise for the visuals is anything but false. Although I found a lot of things lacking in my opinion, the mod looks great.

As for a reaction, we did not hope for controversy. We knew that how we felt about Black Mesa did not reflect the current mass sentiments, and that it would be likely result in some negative reactions however. We did not write our review to snag a few cheap views on Youtube.

I understand that you may not believe me when I say we were just trying to get how we felt about the mod out there, and not to cause drama. I’d hope that my attempts to address and explain myself on this forum would provide at least some evidence to that.

@lucifer579
One problem we had was balancing for time. I believe I mentioned it last night but if we were to go into full detail on our likes and dislikes it would have been a very long review. So instead of focusing on the good aspects of the content produced and level work etc. That everyone else is already talking about, we wanted to spend the time pointing out problems we see that were not being brought up as much elsewhere.

Out of curioisty, how long of a review would you be willing to sit through? 10 minutes was already really long for us we felt, but if people would be ok with longer reviews I know I would be open to that.

For changes made to the mod later, I’d be willing to go back and reassess the mod should there be major updates at a later time. We’ll of course cover the Xen release, so perhaps then should changes be made.

@Codes
We did not intentionally ignore the good parts, but we decided to not focus on them. We would only have so much to say about how good the game looks. We did try to make sure it was clear that the mod looks fantastic, whether that properly got across or not is a different matter. In my experience with the game I found that once I stopped looking at well pieced together the mod was that most everything else was not nearly as solidly constructed. There was a lack of a guiding hand maneuvering the team towards a unified end goal. Sometimes they wanted to be a Remake. Other times a reimagining. It causes a disconnect that I found hard to reconcile.

Do you have any suggestions on how to better inform people that we’re reviewing Black Mesa as a HL1 recreatrion and that we don’t discount the visuals? I know we mention it in the review (I think twice?) but if there’s more we could do, I can certainly see about getting that done.

@Langenscheiss
I find the fact that every CoD game get’s such high scores actually really deplorable. That is something that is wrong with the game publication industry. When you recieve ad revenue from the very people you are supposed to be critiquing you simply can not have an unbiased view. I recall a reviewer Jeff Gerstmann who game Kane and Lynch: Dead Men a bad review. A TERRIBLE review even. He was fired. The suspected reason? Well The publishers of Kane and Lynch paid Gamespot for a full site skin advertisement. You can read about that here: https://kotaku.com/328244/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane–lynch-review

Just to say, CoD would get a really, really annoyed review would I ever have the misfourtune to be forced to make one. Those games just not somethign I enjoy for multiple reasons.

I didn’t mean to imply that I put my negative opinion out there in the hopes that people reject it. I mentioned before that I am rather fond of my opinion, but only because it is mine. If I can sway someone with my words, that’s ok by me. If someone rejects that though after thinking about it, then at least they thought about it. I respect people’s opinions more (whether the agree with me or not) if they are willing to think about them. No matter the ultimate outcome.

@pinkribbonscars:
Yes, that’s something you have to get clear. When you talk about subpar voice acting, you must give a reference. With all due respect for opinions, subpar against Half-Life !1! is nothing but polemic.

As I said, I never thought for a second you would accept what I said, but I stand by every last word of it. I don’t see much middle ground for discussion here, so I’ll leave you to your own devices.

Thank you Hyperbyte. I appreciate the clean up. Frankly a majority of those involved have been quite good about keeping the discussion on course and pleasant. I have to admit I was not quite expecting it to go as smoothly as it has. I might just be jaded by Youtube though. shudder

Also, again thank you to the BM team for allowing me to continue the discussion over here.

Hah, I love how this guy review a mod like a game with a AAA budget.

I like reviews that point out just negatives… those are cool.

Yeah, worse directon than HL =/= subpar VA.
Why are HECUs emphasized? Because Scis and Guards sound just as good/close to, if not better than original.

Founded in 2004, Leakfree.org became one of the first online communities dedicated to Valve’s Source engine development. It is more famously known for the formation of Black Mesa: Source under the 'Leakfree Modification Team' handle in September 2004.