Are you even listening to what I’m saying? [The pre-baptism Booker in Comstock’s universe fought in Wounded Knee and THEN went on to be baptised and reborn as Comstock. The whole reason he went to be baptised is because the battle scarred him for life and he wanted to be washed clean. Slate never knew about the baptism so he ASSUMES that the Booker he knew disappeared, and Slate THINKS he returns but that’s just our Booker, not the same. Pre-baptism Booker and our Booker are identical so it’s common sense that Slate would assume they’re the same.]
Wow. That’s rather brilliantly terrifying.
I don’t think the Firemen nor the Zealots are “mutated”, the Zealot looks exactly like a regular zealot except he has a coffin strapped to his back and the Fireman is presumably wearing a suit so he can withstand the heat (Though it could be that he’s mutated in beneath).
That makes sense Jack, my bad. Poor guy, so he was half-wrong/half-right all along ._. well, I spared him of the suffering by a bullet in the brain anyway ;D
If you don’t shoot him, he shows up under the Goodtime club having been utterly lobotomized.
Gonna try playing through the game in 1999 mode without using vending machines at all to get that achievement… I’m probaly gonna die a thousand times.
Thanks! 
Here’s more stuff I wrote for them, copied and pasted from another forum:
[…]It’s the crawling black metallic skeleton of a child who has been immersed in Return To Sender the same way Firemen and Zealots were immersed in Devil’s Kiss and Murder Of Crows. It taunts you in a tinny but recognizably childish voice that you are evil for attempting to harm it but your efforts are futile. It does no damage by itself (except for a barely consequential meelee attack) but is indestructible, reflects damage, and hangs around other enemies, protecting them. (It can also cling to Skyrails, stationary, clogging them up). The only way to dispatch them is to knock them off the side of Columbia, if there are any Skyrails around you must first use Shock Jockey on them (it disables their ability to use them) and any damage dealt to them in the process is still reflected back on you. […]
[…]I’m thinking that, like the Snipers, Motorized Patriots, Handymen, and Firemen, the Safe Unlearned would come in Founder and Vox versions. The Founder version would be based on the pure child archetype, and the Vox version would be based on the artful dodger archetype.
Founder SU Quotes:
Idling:
“You said it would stop. When does it stop?”
“Where’s mama and papa?”
“Kinda tingles.”
“I like the Handies. They’re funny.”
“Will I have skin in Heaven?”
Going Into Combat:
“I see devils!”
“Charge!”
“Stranger!”
“Fink, save me!”
In Combat:
“You can’t hurt me! Papa Fink stands by my side!”
“God is angry and you’ll be sorry!”
“You can’t move me; I’m a rock!”
“It isn’t my time, it’s yours!”
“You can’t make me grow up! You can’t make me grow up!”
“He loves Comstock and Columbia and me too!”
“You can’t touch this!”
Shocked:
screams
“Why don’t I stick? This isn’t fair!”
“Stranger! Don’t take me!”
“Our father who art in heaven… uh… uh…”
“Help!”
Falling:
screams
“Mom!”
“You’ll regret this in Hell!”
“Papa Fink, where’d you go?!”
“Goodbye!”
Vox SU Quotes:
Idling:
“And little people know, when little people fight, we may look easy pickings but we’ve got some bite…”
“So never kick a dog, because he’s just a pup, cuz we’ll fight like twenty armies and we won’t give up, so you’d better run for cover when the pup grows up!”
“This one’s got candy in his pockets!”
“Do I get to go in front again? Please?”
“Don’t worry, they’ll pay for what they did to me. Payback’s all I’m for.”
Going Into Combat:
“There’s one!”
“Shoot me! Shoot me!”
“Charge!”
“Sicko!”
In Combat:
“Don’t hurt my friends!”
“Why are you shooting yourself? Why are you shooting yourself?”
“This will never end until people like you don’t exist!”
“This one’s for my little sister and this one’s for my little brother and this one’s for me!”
“You melted off my skin! Some baptism, Fink!”
“This ain’t hurtin’ me, ya know!”
“You can’t touch this!”
Shocked:
screams
“Why don’t I stick? This isn’t fair!”
“Sicko, I’m not going back in that vat!”
“I don’t wanna go back to school!”
“Help!”
Falling:
screams
“Mom!”
“I bounce!”
“There ain’t no God to save me - or you!”
“Sodom, here I come!” […]
That’s gooooooooood.
The game seem to have taken some inspirations from HL2 and narrative-wise, it’s really of high quality, great game.
On an unrelated note, is it wrong that I couldn’t help myself but to get creepy thoughts about Elizabeth 
and once the realization has clocked in my head that [COLOR=‘Black’]she is the main character’s daughter it felt quite dirty 0_o
Lol, spoiler then…
[COLOR=‘Black’]Can’t help it. Once I was done with the game, I admit myself to couldn’t have slept the night but thinking all about it. It’s one of “those games” that are very few and far between these days, it simply left a mark on my mind.
It’s so beautiful and at the same time so sad, whole bunch of emotions and sensations all at once, hard to contain.
I haven’t seen a better written character than Booker in a while as I can’t make myself to set an opinion on him. Not to mention it’s the only character that I’m aware of who is both the protagonist and antagonist at the same time… a monster with redeemable qualities/traits? Perhaps… one way or another, I felt bad for both versions of him, except what justification have the: racism, dehumanization, murder and plans for mass genocide in his original self?
Anyway, some things still aren’t clear to me and I might have found some plotholes. Excuse me if my questions stem from not paying enough attention, loss of memory or me missing some things. I tried my best to collect as many Voxophones as I could without using guides.
So what I don’t get:
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how come the original Booker (later Comstock) haven’t had Anna? Was the real history different? In AU Booker/2’s case we were told that his wife has died giving birth to Anna… that means Anna didn’t originally exist, only as a product of space-time machinations. But still… the question is why? I guess just because ._. Also why didn’t the original Booker-Comstock or even any AU versions of him just take ANY of the Elizabeths from other universes?
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the way I understand the ending, is that all the AU universes have been destroyed. It all returned to the original pre-baptism world. This can be seen because his Elizabeth ceased to exist once he returned to the time when he was to be baptized, as Booker-Comstock didn’t have any daughter (see above) so all in all, everything has been reversed… this likely means the Lutece twins have been separated T_T but presumably they remember as well.
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the Booker that has stayed as such is the original pre-baptism one that got his skill smashed and is “to could have been Comstock” but also with memories of AU Booker/2, they merged… except that something has changed… Anna suddenly exists even in his universe? Post-credicts scene suggests that, but I don’t get why and how that is possible.
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I’m completely alien about this, but can please somebody tell me what does Rapture have to do with all of that? I was like “wut” about the “it’s a door way” thing, same about the stars and lighthouses. Either I missed something, or the DLC is to explain.
WOAH MAN, SPOILERS. COVER THAT SHIT UP.
I’ll try to answer some of your questions.
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[Comstock was exposed to the tear machine which rendered him sterile before he could have a child as Rosalind explained in a voxophone. Booker’s wife did die giving birth but Anna came out of it alive, leaving Booker to be a lone parent. And saying that “Why didn’t he just take any other Anna?” is pretty stupid, because then the game would be made revolving about that “other” Anna.]
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[There is no way knowing our Elizabeth ceased to exist, the screen cut to black before we saw whether or not she disappeared. That was all I understood, the rest was too painful to read.]
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wat
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[Rapture is simply another universe that follows the “There’s always a man, a city and a lighthouse” formula. Jack would metaphorically be Booker, Andrew Ryan would be Comstock, Big Daddies would be Songbird and the Little Sisters would be Elizabeth, et cetera et cetera. There’s no real reason for Rapture to be there other than fill players with nostalgia.]
SPOILER THAT NOW.
But as to you last question; it was just an abstract visualization of what it was really like.
On an unrelated note: my friend claims that World of Warcraft has a better story and lore because Bioshock was “not understandable unless you’re Stephen Hawking”. Should I kill him?
No; that’d be feeding the plants. Feel free to socially ostracize him and reject him as a friend, though.
Subjective, Warcraft has super rich lore and arguably well-thought stories, but how can anyone compare two different genres is beyond me.
For the response:
- Anna was to be born when Booker was 17-18 ( 0_o I know ) the stuff that rendered him infertile came later
- Since the loop got stopped, it all returned to the original universe and as such, Anna shouldn’t exist because “Comstock” didn’t have her and that’s why it was left to our guesses (blacked out) Luteces were made omniscient and omnipresent, but it’s questionable what their fate is since the events that would allow them to meet each other have been prevented from occurring. In my opinion now only the female Lutece exists, but since Booker didn’t become Comstock, they are unlikely to meet and build Columbia and shi*
- I get it that the Booker in the very end that wakes up after being drowned by girls is the original one, hence Comstock (the one you killed) before baptism. I don’t see why he should be the our playable Booker, since he was an AU version only, and as such again, he shouldn’t have Anna
- I see.
There was something more, but I forgot. In case I recall, I will bring it up.
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How can you say it’s subjective and then move on to say “Warcraft has super rich role (rich role wat?) and arguably well-thought stories” as if it’s a fact?
Anyway, to answer your questions
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[Comstock became sterile BEFORE thinking about an heir. Here’s what happened: Comstock used the tear machine to peek into the future and saw that he needed an heir. He attempts to get an heir himself, but was exposed to the tears and couldn’t do so. THEN he steals Anna.]
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[There is a reason it blacked out before Elizabeth disappeared. There is a reason it blacked out before you could look in the crib. Ken Levine recently said on his twitter that his interpretation of the ending didn’t matter. Your imagination decides what happens after the ending. And for the love of everyone in this thread can you please call her Elizabeth and call the baby Anna? It’ll make it much easier to understand.]
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I’m just… wat?? Can you please talk so I don’t have to spend hours trying to decipher what the fucking fuck you just said? [He’s the playable Booker because the game hints that a completely new universe was created and all the memories of the Booker we played was transferred over to him, why would he go over and check if Anna was there if it wasn’t the same Booker? The whole game would be nullified because then Booker would’ve learnt nothing from it all and the loop would start over again. It would seem very anti-climatic if that was the case.]
He meant lore, and that statement is actually pretty objective, seeing as he used the word “arguably”. Besides, Warcraft really does have a stupid amount of lore.
If you write a billion words of shit, it doesn’t make it less shit.
It’s not shit, though.
Oh gosh, what a typo, didn’t notice I wrote role instead of lore ._.
For the rest, it’s: “dat lore” not “wat lore” Hopefully you don’t wont to argue about definition of rich. The fact is, that the so-supposed “wow killers” don’t even come close, the competition doesn’t offer anything of that caliber. Warcraft has 20 years of writing up its sleeve, not anything baked in few months at best. There’s Old Republic, and upcoming Elder Scrolls Online, but that’s it.
The subjective part is if it’s good or not. But is it vast? Yes, it is and the stories branch like crazy and complement each other quite fittingly.
Well, that’s offtopic since this is meant to be a Bioshock thread anyway.
Here comes:
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- It left him sterile post-1893 , but Anna was to have been born in 1892, that’s what I’m talking about in case you didn’t notice.
- Yes, the events are left up to one’s own personal interpretation and it would appear mine differ from yours. But that’s the whole point of a conversation. I see it that all the events post-baptism have been made to didn’t occur, just like you, but that only confirms the final Booker is the one who turned into Comstock, not our protagonist, as he was a result of alternate events himself which have been prevented (AU Booker number 123 in fact)
Not sure what you mean by wat again since what I wrote appears English enough to me.
Imo, “Comstock” Booker simply got memories of both his future self that got killed and of our Booker, that’s why he went to check, as he remembers for both.
Also what’s with the Warcraft hate? I’m with Pyro on this one.