The one example I always like to use is the end of Star Wars: Episode IV. SPOILERS (in case you’re one of the last one on the planet that hasn’t seen it):
Luke and the Rebel Alliance go in and destroy the Death Star. The first Death Star had a compliment of over a million (including crew, troops, pilots, support staff, etc).
Are the Rebels “evil”?
Well, was the empire using the Death Star as a weapon of mass destruction to destroy planets that were home to hundreds of millions people and aliens? Yes. Was the empire trying to tighten its grip on its colonies? Yes. Was it corrupt? Yes.
Were the rebels fighting against the people who allowed all this to be possible? Yes.
Tell me, what is your objective definition of evil?
So, the rebels were evil?
okay so basically that definition of evil has nothing to do with the classic understanding of the word
Read. It. Again.
i just did, and all i can say is: what a load of bullshit
it does seem to consider evil as some sort of force, at least partly so, and it all just sounds ridiculous
PERSON DOES BAD THING HE IS EVIL HURDUR
Where does it say that evil is some sort of force?
And yes, if someone does things that are evil over and over again, or even thinks that they are good, then he is evil.
it repeatedly refers to evil as something tangible, as a sort of entity
Give me a specific example of where it says that; however, I want you to first read it over again, and if you STILL cannot figure out what it means, then ask me.
im not gonna bother copy pasting shit
tell me then
what the fuck is this clusterfuck of a thread
Yeah, thinking, building an opinion and admitting the other one may have a point. WHAT A CRAZY THING TO DO ACADE! LET’S GO AND FRAG IMAGES OF REAL SOLDIERS ON COD4!!!
you are discussing meaningless and redundant concepts.
And for the record, I’ve never played cod4.
No.
Unless you actually give me an example of something you want explained, I can’t do anything. You’re pretty much asking me to answer a question for you, but you’re not giving me the question.
How so? Are you saying that my ideals are worthless? If so, what gives you the authority to say so?
I’m not saying your ideals are worthless, I’m saying that this discussion is just philosophical bullshit.
three successive posts…
I hate to say I’ve my doubts on this idea of Objectivism. Here’s why:
This statement essentially says that there is good and that there is evil. That good is objective, and that evil is born through ignorance from objective values.
But then what defines good and evil.
Take your earlier quote.
The good man works a well paid job for a buisness which is also responsible for exploiting child labourers. He can’t challenge this though, as he may lose his job and, ergo, his happy lifestyle. He is, in the eyes of Objectivism evil for willingly ignoring something that is objective.
Terrorists, on the other hand, could also be seen as good in the eyes of objectivism. Whilst they neglect western values, they believe in their own values. To these people, intending harm in whatever form on those who do not follow their path of self-potential is a good thing. Aside from that, they are often big pillars within their communities and help and provide for those who share the same values. While yes, most of these people are religious extremists who, with your logic, would render them nothing more than subjective extremists. What’s to stop them from saying we’re greedy, ignorant b*******s.
The point I’m trying to make is that I’m unconvinced that Objectivism can be followed to it’s extreme. The idea that evil exists as ignorance of objective values is somewhat contrived: as burbinator said, good people do bad stuff, bad people do good stuff. This is through circumstance, not ignorance.
My responses are in bold.
I can tell that you, unlike some people who post here, have an openness to my philosophy, even if it’s small. If you would like, send me a PM with any questions that you have. I’d rather you speak to me directly than in the thread.
The above also applies to people who are genuinely curious about Objectivism, and don’t just want to ask a few questions before getting seemingly angry.
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