No, you don’t want to hear it so I’m not going to waste my time. Read the quote, Paul said that arguing about words has no value and our life is measured not by arguments but by our works cooperating with God’s grace. This “community of interest” revolves around quarrels so there’s no point in me being here.
Look into my posts if you want, you won’t find one where I said anything remotely close to that. Where you spend eternity is your own choice not anyone else’s.
I see no quarrel. I see people asking for more data and more data not being provided.
And there you go. I don’t think I could put it any better. (“It’s your choice whether you follow my religion which says that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus… or not.”)
In your last post I see you said you wouldn’t talk about it, but I sort of hope that if it is kept civil an open dialog can continue.
The main thing in your posts that make it difficult is that you quote from the bible and religious texts frequently. This is the wrong approach when discussing the merits of your faith with an atheist. To an atheist, the bible is just a text of fiction, or at best a loosely based and clouded collection of small anecdotes. Mentioning these texts that don’t provide real world evidence that atheists use to differentiate truth from fiction is akin to saying your faith is right, because we say it is. Unfortunately, such claims do more detriment to your cause than anything else, because it indicates that you have no real world basis to establish a dialog with anyone who isn’t already of your faith.
Earlier you mention Eucharistic miracles having unexplained human blood in them. However, the very basis of that means it’s not proof to an atheist. It’s unexplained. Unexplained occurrences aren’t proof, they are simply unexplained. If there is evidence then a true atheist can accept anything. This is why your claim about atheist being ignorant, or prideful. A true atheist is able to throw away everything he/she believes in the face of true evidence. What is commonly called evidence of religious involvement is often more a case of LACK of evidence. Unfortunately for religious belief system arguments, lack of scientific evidence, doesn’t mean it is evidence of divinity.
I contest, that if there were a god that wanted to convert atheists, who use the gifts of comprehension they use to identify the world around them, then god could create instances where his existence is undeniable. If this violates the terms of his existence as he exists as faith, then he can provide unavoidable evidence of a god, and then humans decide if whatever path to god is right and be judged accordingly. At this point there isn’t any hard evidence at all of any divinity. There is simply things humans can’t explain, and when this category ranges from the simple to the extreme, you can’t really expect one more limitation of man to be proof of god. It’s unrealistic to expect such things. Just because a stature bleeds human blood in a way we can’t explain does not mean there is little imaginary fairies all over the place. I hardly think you’d want your faith on the same level as such nonesense. Unfortunately, to an atheist, your claims hold about as much weight. I imagine to you, it is far more serious, but to an atheist it is just more wild claims.
Not sure if this was mentioned already(Sorry, have been reading too many pages and im tired of it). Do you think that life was created on the planet by a priomordial soup that was struck by lightning and poof life started? I believe it was an abysmally small chance that it could happen and no one has been able to replicated it, but I just want to know if you think that the tiny tiny chance was what made life.
Actually when you consider the complexity of the system, and that life is actually an unspecified result it seems more likely than you think.
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Q: If you had a time machine would you fuck around with the roots of religion?
Still, from what my science classes taught me…the odds of all of the amino acids and everything forming and then shaping together in an exact way to create life is not likely…but possible(According to people who swear by this being the way of creation).
Here is some struff to consider when thinking about odds, and the numbers thrown around about the likelihood of life:
I do. The universe is a big place. That’s an understatement. The universe is so mind-bendingly immense that our planet, on our corner of the galaxy, on this side of it, isn’t even a speck of dust. It’s an atom among trillions of other minuscule atoms, whirling around inside of an ever-growing warehouse.
The universe is also old. Unimaginably old. Billions of years. There has been so much shit happening within every square inch of the universe, of every nanosecond of every day for the last 14 billion years.
Yes, I believe that torrid chemicals, sizzling and being bathed by the radiation of a baby universe, energized by UV radiation, and nuked by the nigh-mystic, morphing, incomprehensibly complex patterns of cosmic plasma, generated by the chaotic proto-storms of a confused and tumultuous ocean of probability, was able to, over thousands or millions of years, piece itself together in a fantastic, beautiful, completely-unexpected, yet utterly necessary form eventually known as “life”.
And not just here, but on hundreds of thousands of other planets. Maybe more.
Yes, I believe life created itself. Not through sentient muck or accident or ‘chance’, but through a beautiful process over ten thousand lifetimes. A process given birth by the nature of our reality. I also believe that it is an almost common phenomena, littering our universe. That makes the fact that it’s here, now, much more beautiful than any religion or ancient fantasy tale could ever make it.
+10 kudos to nietzschesaurus
While I agree with you 98%
The 2% about being chance.
Among this grand phenomena the creation of life (intelligent or not) could have had such a small chance as in 1 in a Carl Sagan (Carl Sagan being the limit as x approaches infinity in the equation x^2…if that even makes sense…I’m just babbling)
Chance assuming there is the possibility, in fact probability of it not happening. But there still is the chance of it really happening.
From what I get you are saying is that despite the near infinite probability of it never happening, that in positive infinite time, it was bound to happen.
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed more with anything or anyone on this forum. Ever.
Also, in my opinion, it is far more likely that life created itself over millions or billions of years than a god magically springing out of nothingness and creating the universe in “7 Days.”
Actually, people have recreated the conditions.
It was bound to happen. There’s such a mind-boggling large amount of planets in the universe, it’s statistically improbable that none of them would end up being able to support life.
Slightly off-topic, but on something many of you may find fascinating, is that we’re very, very close to creating artificial life. We can already a DNA with specific coding and we can make those thingies that create proteins by reading the DNA, even though they have something like 52 parts to them.
There are only a few parts of the cell left to create, and we’re there: artificial life!
If the successfully create artificial life does that make them Gods?
A question directed at the religious, but I feel it should go here under Soup’s post.
This was basically my point. It wasn’t chance because the universe is so massive, it had to have happened somewhere, at some point, at least once.
You said it was directed at the religious, but this is the “Ask and Atheist” thread, so I figure I might as well answer.
No.
It was a very nice answer but your comment about “7 days” shows your lack of intelligence…sad.
Nah. The roots of religion are fucked around with enough already. 
Well, no, it is chance, just like everything.
/pedantry
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