So, can you show me where an amputee regrows a leg? We know limb regeneration is impossible with current technology but a tumor could go away on its own. And could you show that the tumor disappearing was a result of prayer or God’s involvement?
does this goes away itself or it was still doctors mistake? (sorry couldn’t find cancer case in English)
those are words of Fr. Gabriel (he isn’t saint yet, my apologies he is just considered among people as saint)
an I trust those words because it is known that he foretold 2 wars in Georgia and also exactly predicted time of his death.
btw I was surprised by this.
I just wrote this in case any of you will ever change your mind.
I also found this if you are interested you can check it.
Assassin, how do you explain the studies that show prayer has zero positive impact on patients? There have been studies of this sort of thing and the only impact observed is the placebo effect. People who didn’t know they were being prayed for recovered at the same rate as people not being prayed for at all. How do you explain this? If you are so sure of your claims how come you won’t submit it to double blind testing? How can you constantly make claims that you can’t reasonably claim to actually have any knowledge of? Why do you persist in spouting anecdotes when you’ve been told they mean nothing?
from your point of view, placebo effect cures everything. I want to write one thing again who shell I trust more? who is greater man my friend “esperanto” who thinks that if you know nothing ( f.e. who is shekspire)that is not a problem or hmmm… Albert Einstein?
I’m pretty sure you didn’t even read what I posted. It seems that you haven’t EVER read ANYTHING I’ve posted. Read it carefully, and instead of just popping off with your usual response that doesn’t apply to anything, try to actually consider what I’ve said and think about your response before posting.
not praying doesn’t mean cure won’t save you.
for who shell I do blind test? for me? I already believe in god 100%. for you? do it yourself!
I have enough knowledge of what I say.
and btw, I am surprised. YOU DIDN’T ANSWER MY QUESTION!
That’s awfully selfish, isn’t it?
:facepalm:
Look up what a double blind test IS. Let’s start there.
You should trust those who can verify their claims.
oh! you did that again!
wat?
eehhh… whatever.
When an atheist wins the lottery, it’s good luck. When a Christian wins the lottery, it’s a miracle.
no, thats stupid no one thinks so. at least not me.
Heh.
You’re so literal-minded. He didn’t intend that to be understood literally. Nevermind, you’re not gonna get it, Kanye.
NO! I got it but still no one thinks that if something good happens to you it is god and only god who allowed this to happen. SO NO THAT IS NOT RIGHT!
cough
now you got my point?
OK - I got ya - fair enough.
Although, if someone prays to win the lottery, and they win, they attribute it to God, and not chance. And use the incident as evidence of God’s existence and prayer as a form of communication with God, etc.
But there’s an even bigger point to that little cliche, which is that Christians often attribute chance or unexplainable events as the work of God.
Luck or chance is the occurrence of an unpredictable, unexplainable event - sometimes fortuitous, sometimes not. We can’t predict or explain chance events, so we just call them luck and leave it at that. However, many events that we now attribute to luck - CAN be explained and COULD be predicted given enough computational power. There’s no practical way to create that kind of computational power at this time, and it may be impossible. But we know what chance is, how complex systems work, and how to predict an outcome at any given point/time in a system - we simply lack the computational power.
Many other events that used to be unexplainable and unpredictable - can now be explained and predicted. These same events, which were unpredictable and not understood at the time, were given explanations based on religious texts or attributed to God. But it turns out that these explanations were incorrect.
Such a great number of religious explanations have been disproved that religion really has no credibility in this regard. Things that are not understood are STILL being attributed to God or explained through religious texts. Not only that, but the explanations of many things that ARE understood and predictable are being rejected by Christians because they conflict with religious texts.
What many religious people believe now will seem ridiculous to their grandchildren, even though those grandchildren may also be religious and believe things that THEIR grandchildren will find ridiculous - in the same way that you may think your ancestors were ridiculous for believing that the Earth was flat, the sun revolved around the Earth, and the Great Plague was God’s punishment for allowing Jews to live among them.
if you pray to god that he helped you to win lottery he wont help you (you still may win) but if you pray to god that he gave you power to stay strong in hardship he may even help you by wining lottery. the difference in this two is that in first you ask god to help you filling your stomach instead of you and in second you ask god to make you better/help becoming better. flat earth was actually very logical explanation since there was no such understanding as cosmos it doesn’t means that since they believed in flat earth they were retards. in old times people could do such masterpieces with primitive tools that todays man can hardly do with any modern tool. by the way lots of ancient civilizations knew about thing that earth was round(or at least cosmos existed)
your comprehensive reading skills are astoundingly lacking
Yes, of course there were cultures (as well as mariners) in the Ancient world that knew that the Earth was spherical and that it revolved around the sun, as opposed to the sun revolving around the Earth. But NOT those that followed the Judeo-Christian texts. The Old Testament books reflect the Bronze Age ideas of the cultures of the region at that time.
The books were adopted as Holy by Christianity, and viewed as being authored or inspired by God and therefore infallible. The strict adherence to these Bronze Age ideas through the Middle Ages retarded the development of European and Christian Culture and technology.
These ideas: a Flat Earth, a Geocentric cosmos, a luminous moon, etc, were held NOT because these were the natural observations of the people at that time, but because they were SCRIPTURAL.
Google Galileo
But what if they prayed for it?
If they did, then to them, religion made it so.