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I thought you didn’t belive to bible?
You’ve missed the points.
The point I was making was that given the choice of what to do with your free time, you don’t choose to these things that Jesus requested. You choose secular activities, like the PC or extreme sports or drinking. When the church talks about ‘works’ that doesn’t mean going to your job to make money, it means good works in the name of Jesus like helping the poor, not playing PC games.
But the overall point was “Look where you choose to spend your time: not in a Temple of God, but in a Temple of Science and Technology”
The point is hypocrisy. You want to claim Christianity which you think gives you license to hate sinners without compassion (this is a paraphrase of your own words regarding a woman who aborted), which is not just an Un-Christian but an Anti-Christian statement. It’s completely counter to the central idea of Jesus teachings.
And yet, you yourself don’t follow Jesus teachings, which is demonstrated by the fact that you don’t seem to understand them.
Like so many other Christians, you miss the point of Jesus - your personal beliefs are the same as the church teachings, which don’t seem to be in-line with Jesus message, and are much more focused on the Old Testament regarding life choices and sin.
Read Leviticus - it’s a LONG list of commandments. When I ask a Christian why they don’t keep kosher, they say that Leviticus was The Old Covenant that God had with the Jews that doesn’t apply to Christians because they have a New Covenant with God through Jesus.
But really, it’s still used to define sin in Christianity, along with some other parts of The Old Testament. Christian theologies simply pick and choose which parts of Leviticus they want to follow.
There is a LONG list of sins taken from the texts, and an even longer list of sins derived by theologies from the textual sins or from other textual passages.
Sin is a HUGE issue in Christianity. I don’t know what bullshit you’re trying to pull, but there’s a LOOONG list of things that you can’t do and MUST do to be free from sin.
What you’re saying in this comment doesn’t counter my statement, it just means that you also sin, of course. And the idea that YOU can be a sinner yet still cast derision upon others for their sins is anti-christian, and hypocrisy.
But I understand why you act like that. You sin, and feel shame and guilt - others sin and don’t feel the same shame and guilt, and don’t even try to keep their sin a secret.
OK - so you sin intentionally and without guilt. Big Deal - so do many if not most Christians, although I can’t say who feels guilty and to what degree.
But THAT is the entire point. YOU and other Christians sin, yet you have hate for non-Christians for their sins. This is the hypocrisy that Jesus hated. But more importantly, it shows that this hatred is not because of sin, but because the sinner is THE OTHER.
That’s why some sins bring hatred and others don’t. Abortion and homosexuality bring hatred - yet Jesus said that all sins are equal in the eyes of God. This kind of stuff is just using Jesus to justify hatred of The Other, someone that is outside of society or group.
That’s just wishful thinking and a hateful curse.
Parents means the people who raised you. the word for raising children in English is ‘Parenting’. It doesn’t matter if it was your mother/father, Aunt/Uncle, etc.
Right, your religious Grandmother indoctrinated you. And so what was the choice you had? You had no choice, You were ONLY raised with the one choice. And that ‘choice’ is not made as an adult, it’s made as a small child and she made it for you then.
But that’s not even the point. Parenting isn’t about presenting toddlers with a menu of theological choices. It’s about HOW children are raised. Strict parenting, dominating children, teaching them fear of the authority, etc is what creates authoritarian personalities.
The authoritarian personality is not about raising children in a religious environment, it’s about how you raise a child - it’s a parenting style - Strict Parenting as opposed to Nurturing Parenting. The Christian doctrines of ‘sin’ and ‘punishment’ ‘God Fearing’ ‘Hell’ ‘Abandonment’ etc are just christian frames superimposed over an older, animalistic parenting style. If you dominate children, you teach them to fear (an authoritarian would say respect) authority, to submit to authority and the perceived superior and to disrespect the inferior and expect submission from them.
But please, do go on about the Armenians …
Right, well, you’re in Georgia, that term doesn’t have any meaning there. It hasn’t been so many years since people were stoned to death for adultery, homosexuality and the like - or does that still happen?
This reminds me of those Christians in my own country that write blogs and forum posts about how science is false.
There’s been much improvement in the lives of Georgians in the 20th century, especially in the last decades, and those improvements weren’t derived from following religious texts - they were from science and technology, logic and reason.
If Christianity and Science are competing paradigms, as Contemporary Christians like to claim, then I think it’s clear which paradigm has improved humanity.
Not to mention judgmental and that, according to Christianity, only God can decide who goes to haven and who goes to hell.
Right. I think this is just one small illustration of how many Christians use the texts to justify their hatred and fear of The Other, but ignore the texts that prohibit that hatred.
In the larger sense, much of Christianity focuses more on the Old Testament while explicitly and deliberately ignoring Jesus teachings to the contrary, not just his general message but passages that address specific issues directly and unambiguously.
Much of Christianity ignores almost all Jesus’ actual teachings and seem to only be concerned with him as a means to salvation - he serves only as the sacrificial lamb.
The bulk of Christian theology which deals with lifestyle, day to day living, sin, and the natural world is from the Old Testament. Quite often, Jesus teachings are ignored in favor of the Old Testament texts.
Much of Christianity is just a Christianization of older social structures, a convenient way to codify social morality and structure in a self-contained system, whose components can be ignored or emphasized arbitrarily depending on the needs of the person, group, or society in discreet cases
The problem is that these social structures don’t work. This has been demonstrated. There are much better social structures and mechanics.
If someone wants to hold Christianity as a personal belief and use these texts as a manual for their actions, that’s fine with me. But don’t try to apply them to me and don’t hate me because I don’t apply them.
If someone chooses to live their life as people did in the bronze age, go ahead. But don’t think that there’s any truth to this shit being an effective way to live or organize society, because it isn’t. The bronze age sucked and societies based on these texts fucking SUCK. They don’t work.
Don’t hate me, hate your grandma. No, don’t hate your grandma. But don’t hate me just because I don’t submit to a bronze age text written by bronze age men who were absolutely and demonstrably wrong about their descriptions of the natural world, social structures, and human nature.
This is the real reason that people like me scoff at the texts - because they were WRONG.
The religious claim that these texts were written by or inspired by God. but this can’t be true unless God lied to us. So, I think it’s more likely that they wee written by mere men, who were mistaken. And now, for thousands of years, people have abandoned their own minds to follow these texts, killed, died, tortured, been tortured for these texts, forced others or been forced to live their lives for these texts. And the texts turned out to be WRONG…
Faith is a belief in something that hasn’t been or can’t be proved. Delusion is belief in something that has been disproved.
So, again, don’t hate me for what your Grandma did to you. You believe what you like or what you have no other choice to believe - that’s fine with me. But don’t try to apply it to me.
I agree with Zen and those who’ve made the point before that many christians in the modern day ignore Christ’s teachings of love (odd, given the name of the religion) in favour of preaching fear and hatred. Particularly odd are those Christians who support wars, specifically against other countries of different nationalities, stronger nuclear armament, and the oppresion of homo/bi/transexuals.
I will say I have empathy however, Christs teachings of compassion and forgiveness in the New Testament are a stark contrast to the vengeful and wrathful God of the Old Testament. All that fire and brimstone, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorragh etc. Must be easy to get confused :s
I agree.
I would also say that I wouldn’t deny that there are valid observations and wisdom in the Old Testament as well. I do not think that the texts have NO value just because they were written during a certain period. But only that I do not view them as divine or as law.
thats is definately another problem.
I don’t consider those things are against religions so stop repeating it.
not even a bit of hate. I just dont care.
yeah, i made choise immediately. “since grandma says god is cool guy that it is cool yay
!” pelase dont speak as if you understand human psycology brilliant.
in georgia science and religion were alwatys on the same side. btw did you knew the first steppes towards the reneissance were made in Georgia? all advancement was halted becouse of unstopping invasion of different conquerrors mongolians, arrabians, turks and so on. nearly every great asian conquerors tryed to destroy my country but it still exists and religion has also lot to do with it.
I don’t judge anyone. judgement is definately another thing.
religion has less to do with my hatred towards the humans. I hate them because they deserve nothing. with everything given to them they want more. they exploit,destroy,corrupt and behave as if all this is norm. advancement you mentioned? what advancement are you talikng about? there are lots of smokers while they know that smoking will kill all of them they still continiue smoking. there are still fascit thinking people. and many more to be said I hate humans because of their degradation.
Oh geez. I’m a humanist and a smoker. This clearly the thread for me.
If you’re a Christian, how can you say humans deserve nothing? Aren’t all people created in God’s divine image?
And to deserve nothing? Do humans not deserve life? Compassion? Understanding? Like, y’know, what Jesus Christ said?
Do humans not deserve basic human rights, like education? Or free religion, such as the religion you enjoy (yet in my opinion bastardise by pushing hatred and intolerance into it)?
Why hate smokers for choosing to smoke? That sounds like judgement to me.
It’s our decision to continue smoking with the knowledge, and why do you hate us for our decision that has, wait for it… zero influence on your life?
Seems odd to me. Seems to contradict Christ’s teachings of love, forgiveness and compassion.
EDIT: On a not-so-serious note; as you continually refer to mankind as ‘the humans’ i.e. a seperate species do you consider yourself superior? Sounds a tad sociopathic.
they were created… long ago.
smoking=slow suicide/masochism
Thus deserving of hatred? I would presume then that you condone the Christian doctrine that suicide/euthanasia is a sin?
And why avoid the question? Why hate them even though it’s their decision it doesn’t affect you? And again, how is this in-keeping with Christ’s teachings of love and compassion?
I’m happy to hear that this is your view. But it’s not now, nor has it been the view of Christianity
I’m not offended that you don’t care about me or my suffering. But this does demonstrate a lack of empathy and compassion that is a central teaching of Jesus.
That’s pretty much exactly how it happened. You’re Christian and Orthodox. If you had grown somewhere else and your Grandma was a different religion, would you still have ‘chosen’ to be Christian and Orthodox when you grew up as opposed to the religion of your hypothetical grandma?
You don’t have to be a brilliant psychologist to recognize, understand and describe the most basic psychological mechanics. That’s like saying one has to be a mathematician to recognize, understand and describe that 2+2=4.
Many in Georgia still don’t have indoor plumbing or electricity. Tblisis is a city, so this may not be the case there, but from what I know of Georgia it is mountainous, superstitious, with a lower literacy rate and educational standard than Western Democracies.
Your insistance of the ‘incorrupt blood’ miracle is a demonstration of a society that values religion superstition rather than science.
Wait - you were taught to take credit for The Renaissance?
The Renaissance happened because of the decline of the power of the church. The Enlightenment that followed was the rise of secular thought - an opposition and rejection of the church in regard to government and society.
That’s not consistent with many of your previous comments
Right - you hate. Your religion is merely the organizational rhetoric of a social construct, not something you understand for yourself or follow. This is the opposite of Jesus. You call yourself a Christian as it’s a part of your culture and society, not because you understand or follow the teachings of Jesus.
You know who does understand about human psychology?
He explains psychology behind religion, and one thing he said in that lecture above is what Zen609 told you: religion is passed on when you are young and don’t have “defense” against irrational beliefs.
I recommend that you watch the video if you can understand spoken English.
If you say that someone is going to hell, that is judging. It is the worst kind of judging, by the way.
He doesn’t seem to be a sociopath, but definitely a narcissistic misanthrope.
Jeez- talk about projecting self-hatred . . .
. . . but then again I’m no brilliant psychologist so I’ll just have to leave it at ‘asshole’.
You do.
He was being sarcastic
I don’t know who told you what but every priest repeats to me: “nothing is evil in tecnology, it just matters how humans use it.”
if i was born in different place even in my country i doubt that i would even have a choise.
no it isn’t 2+2=4. sometimes you make 2+2=5 while you don’t understand who person is, and you are completely wrong about me.
well this is only in villages. but i don’t think this is a problem.
but that doesn’t mean that religion is against science.I still don’t understand why anyone considers that they must be agains each other.
thats not all, there is everything in georgia, desert, fiellds,mountains,torpics and lot more.
thats sad reality and this is one more reason why i hate humans. while they have lot of choises and good future they choose eating shit.
i just said that first steppes were made here. and also thtis is true for europe where church was against science unlike my country.
you dont belive in god= you go to hell - thats not judgement thats just logic.
you will never understand clearly why i hate people. I hate them because i care for them and every time they do step back angers me more and more.
I remeber my childhood quite well and also remember that only thing I was told was that god existed… that is all! nothing more. and even if I was educated as christian I would have made still this choise. by the way i had more reasons to be not chirstian. evrywhere I went i saw that every person is like an animal and they call still christians themselves but there were factors why I choosed christianity and i am happy of it.
I do but from you it cant be considered as proof.
Actually, it’s like Harry Potter to me.
Harry Potter goes to a train station in England. The book calls the station “Kings Cross”. I know that there’s a train station in England that is called “Kings Cross”. Therefore, I know that the book references the real life train station.
Same here with the Bible. The Bible references a real life valley. The Bible calls that place “Hell” or the “Valley of Hinnom” or “Gehenna”. The valley itself, in real life, is also called these. Therefore, the Bible is referencing real life places just as Harry Potter does.
Just because a book references real life places doesn’t mean that those real life places don’t exist or can’t be used as proof. There’s no evidence of an underworld, however, so, like Buckbeak, it’s a fictional construct in a nonfiction world. Unless there’s evidence for a hippogriff or a place of everlasting torture and torment…
“you dont belive in god= you go to hell - thats not judgement thats just logic.” No, that’s not logical at all. It’s just extremely judgmental.
you are wrong.
yes it is logical. if you dont think so read first of 10 commandments.
So, Kings Cross Station doesn’t exist or the Valley of Hinnom doesn’t exist?
Also, which 10 commandments? There are many. Such as the one where you can’t boil a baby goat in its mother’s milk. Also, relevance of the “10 commandments” (any of them)? Like Harry Potter, it’s like talking about Defense Against the Dark Arts; and how I would have to be careful of dark wizards.