A growing concern, and how we can help

Honestly I stopped wanting to play this mod a while ago. I just keep coming back here because I am genuinely curious to see whether it ever does get released.

Of course, there was a point in time when I would have downloaded the mod the very moment it came out. But now I’ll probably just check it out if I get bored of playing minesweaper and solitare.
BMS is a non-event. A bit like Russian Christmas, who gives a shit about it anymore?

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that it’s an improvement over the original Half-Life. That’s all I’ve ever wanted out of BM. Doesn’t really have to be the best of cutting edge technology to accomplish that.

Besides, the Source engine constantly gets updated. Portal 2 and L4D2 look pretty good to me, maybe not on par with the best of the best but it gets the job done. Then again I’m not a graphics whore like you seem to be. =/

The game engines just fine, at least for non profit fan mods. We play mods to enjoy new experiences, not to marvel at amazing graphics (though some mods have taken that extra step) and I wouldn’t want it any other way. I wouldn’t want BM to have amazing graphics, I’d want to keep it at about the same amount of detail as Episode Two, so it doesn’t lose that feel. If you play BM and it looks like Crysis, then go to HL2 it’d just be wierd. Regardless, this IS just a mod, you can’t compare it to games made by professional studios with cutting edge engines and expect it to be fair, and the devs aren’t even trying to compete with that. And look around you. There’s a whole community of people who can’t wait for the mod, regardless of it’s graphics, and even your arguement jusy shows that you just really want to play the mod, so you complain to try to get your way across to the devs.

And if you’re seriously shallow enough to stop enjoying a game just because the graphics are outdated, I won’t even waste pity on you.

Me.

Me too. I won’t be able to play it when it comes out in all likelihood, I’ll have to wait, But I care. Also, the graphics aren’t outdated. The Source engine isn’t the most graphics-intensive engine, but it’s far from being outdated. And even if it were, so what? If the gameplay is good, the game is good. And if all you care about is graphics, you shouldn’t even be here, because the mod is a remake for a game that came out in 1998.

Preach it, Brother! The gameplay was considered revolutionary at the time. HL did for the story elements of PC games what Doom did for graphics and the FPS genre. Dozens of accolades. GOTY status on the HL franchise in it’s entirety, (not counting the episodic chapters, which some gamers argue were crafted by 2 totally different teams; E1 by Valve, E2 by a roomful of chimpanzees with typewriters) and a merchandise portfolio to rival effing Pokemon. Spoon-fed console-port donkeys strap on their blinders and troll endless aggro to quell their adolescent angst (ahem, virginity) and showcase their nonexistent knowledge of FPS lineage. What’s important is that we know what’s up, and are on hand to discipline the TOEFL failures, the ignorant, and…the unruly. Heh hah! hahahahahahah!

For someone with a smarmy, pretentious nickname that is etymologically Russian (Dostoyevsky you friggin’ AIN’T) you may not want to knock a holiday celebrated by 150 million Orthodox Russkies. For one thing, you’re outnumbered. To show you I’m not a total prick, I will now compliment you on your sarcastic wit and flawless timing:

It was real funny what you said about the minesweeper and solitaire games, even though they stick to Windows like shit to a sheet. And calling BMS a non-event, not giving a shit, et cetera with conviction and pomp really shows how effectively one can talk total balls not only to oneself but to so many others. You’ve afflicted me, Doctor…and the only cure is more cowbell. I’ll just borrow the one hanging around your neck.

At this point, I’m just in it for the forums. Black Mesa would just be an award for surviving in them.

oh come on, you can’t deny that graphics is a big factor in this mod

It’s one of the reasons they didn’t release in 2009

Lemme just tighten that up for you:
[Oh, come on, you can’t deny that graphics are a big factor in this mod.]

Have you even looked at the screenshots? The indoor environments in BMS look better than a good portion of HL2’s! It’s breathtaking just to look at the detail and poly’s that are being crammed into this mod, blending beauty and retroactive continuity into a freeware download. It’s gonna be real pretty and real fun, and hopefully launches a few careers. Instead of bitching about the graphics, look at the pretty pictures ALL over the wiki and homepage. Those are the graphics. They look mighty tasty.
Taigul, vous etes une blaireau velu abat-jour! Marchez-vous alle Liege a le usine du Fabrique Nationale Herstal, achetez une pistolet pour tirer votre pied en realite, bouffon. :smiley: Je suis desole, je ne parle Hollandais.

They are, of course, but more than that I’m interested in seeing the old-school level design of HL1 converted into the modern level-design of today and see if it still holds.

He’s smarter than you, get over it.

Fail

Projection

He’s right. And he’s smarter than you, get over it.

Post what you like, but for fuck sake, keep your self-esteem issues and left-of-the-curve argumentation in check. It sucks to have to scroll through all the whiney, cunty tantrums thrown at those that tell them that Santa isn’t real.

who the fuck cares

uuuuhm what? i never said the graphics weren’t good
lrn2engrish

no i wont go over to FN Herstal to buy a gun and shoot myself in RL
you, as it appears, are the buffoon

also my french sucks

That was adorable. Seriously, I felt the cockles of my heart warm when I read your disjointed attempt to defray my rhetoric. It’s like watching a 4 year old tackle a 1000-piece jigsaw puzzle. You may want to avoid contradicting yourself though, (post what you like, but do it the way I say because I copy-pasted your prior posts and my fingers broke a sweat) as it impacts your credibility. It’s worth mentioning that the majority of my posts are ardently supportive of BMS, and I tend to agree with people that emphasize the importance of gameplay over graphics. I also believe that even by current standards, the WIP photos look absolutely stellar, and that the final product could only be more mind blowing as a body of work. How that’s attributable to a belief in Santa Claus is pure non sequitur, buddy-roo. So, you know, thanks for making the effort. Best of luck in your amateur pop-psychology hobby club, and feel free to misspell your future responses and pepper them with some indignant profanity. But remember, I know if you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake… :smiley:

Seems I owe you an apology, your post had the tone of so many that complain about the age of the engine I thought you were tearing it down as well. So, I am sorry, for insulting you and calling your avatar a hairy, blind badger. And suggesting that you shoot yourself in the foot. Uncool, my bad, I understand if you want to stash an open can of tuna fish in the air intake of my car. Sorry dude.

I never realised that I attempted to pass myself off as a literary genius.
But since we’re stating obvious facts, you AIN’T Albert Einstein. Nor are you Abraham Lincoln.
I’m glad we’ve come to the conclusion that neither of us are people we have never claimed to be.

As for the Russian thing, while I cannot speak for all Russians I should point out that my girlfriend is Russian, my housemates are Russian, most of my friends are Russian / Ukrainian / Kazakh. I keep in frequent contact with my St. Petersburg and Moscow friends. So while I may not be able to speak for those living in places such as Ulan-Ude I do have a little first hand knowledge of how Russians celebrate Christmas.
They do indeed celebrate it, but certainly not to the extent that westerners do. Most of my friends didn’t even get time off work during the Russian Christmas period.
Out of curiosity, how many Russians do you know? Considering the way you talk one would assume that you yourself are Russian.

As for this, I would now compare BMS to DNF. I was extremely curious about DNF and yet never bought the game on release and nor will I. It’s something akin to watching a train crash; you watch out of morbid curiosity.
I do hope that they will one day release BMS, but I get the feeling that when it does finally release it will be met with shrugging shoulders and a general feeling of “So what?”

Despite our differences of opinion I have to give you thumbs up for cowbell jokes. One can never have enough.

We talked about it in my Russian class and it is an unarguable fact that it isn’t as big a holiday over there as it is in the US. Nor is it as big even as the New Years there.

But on topic, for the people saying the game should look better, they’re already pushing the engine to its limit. They have to carefully monitor the entity count already just so the game doesn’t crash while playing it. While it is technically correct that the Source engine is outdated compared to some newer engines, that’s because they’re newer and Source is a slightly modified engine from 2004. And even if it is outdated compared to commercial games today, it’s a free mod, so the quality of this mod is above and beyond the majority of other Source mods.

Indeed, back on topic…
There were many people complaining that Skyrim’s graphics were dated. So no matter what you do there will always be complaints about the graphics.

Right, you’ve been waxing poetic about the great game-play of the original HL. And I agree - HL’s game-play is indisputable and obvious.

But you posted a flame of Burr’s statement about graphics. That’s the entire point of Black Mesa. HL S wasn’t remade because the game-play sucked or needed improvement, it was remade because the graphics were the same as the original, which was a disappointment. Black Mesa’s game-play may or may not be better than the original, but either way - game-play wasn’t the reason for the remake - it was the graphics.

Burr’s right, and you’re wrong. You’re not bright enough to understand the very point of the mod, but don’t let that stop you from advertising that to the entire community.

Founded in 2004, Leakfree.org became one of the first online communities dedicated to Valve’s Source engine development. It is more famously known for the formation of Black Mesa: Source under the 'Leakfree Modification Team' handle in September 2004.