What happened to not releasing the MOD until it's perfect?

[Victor_von_Steel]

@bannedforlife

The whole point of this thread is debating the point that the devs said the mod wouldn’t be released until it was “perfect”. Sure there are valid reasons for not releasing Xen, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make.

I certainly don’t recall the developers ever saying that the mod was being delayed until it was perfect. Stop focusing on whatever implications you’re drawing from that, it just sounds like you’re projecting your frustration with the development process.

[MaxTheLimit]

@bannedforlife

Basically all he has to do is get high res textures in place and it will be just like black mesa.

No it won’t. It will just be HL source with high res textures.

@bannedforlife

All the hard work like entity tweaking is done.

I’m not dismissing what that fellow has done, but that is a far stretch from all the hard work.

@bannedforlife

Making the actual structure of levels is pretty easy.

I disagree.

[dky.tehkingd.u]

@bannedforlife

The mods should really hire that guy who is making Xen levels in the other thread. I’m impresed with what he accomplished in like 1 week time. I think we can all agree the devs obviously didnt have the time/man power to work as quick as they could of the last 8 years(it’s a free product so I’m not going to say they were lazy). Ughh I just really don’t want to wait another 8 years for the actual completed “perfected” product, because judging on the BETA version the mods potential is huge. But let’s face it the technology is already dated, it needs to be completed as fast as possible to still be as relevant as the mod deserves to be.

I think you missed my point. My whole intention of porting the Xen levels (it’s a STRAIGHT PORT, which means virtually everything is literally copy+paste) was to get a laugh at how crappy the Half-Life world low-poly geometry/low-res textures were in juxtaposition with the Black Mesa weapons and NPCs.

I guess I didn’t do a good enough job at crappifying it if people seem to misread my intention.

[Conti]

So I strongly suggest you to make the “Straight Port” thingy more clear on your port thread. To avoid future misinterpretations, you know…

[bannedforlife]

@dky.tehkingd.u

I think you missed my point. My whole intention of porting the Xen levels (it’s a STRAIGHT PORT, which means virtually everything is literally copy+paste) was to get a laugh at how crappy the Half-Life world low-poly geometry/low-res textures were in juxtaposition with the Black Mesa weapons and NPCs.

I guess I didn’t do a good enough job at crappifying it if people seem to misread my intention.

Don’t sell yourself short, it’s the same engine. Add in some high res textures and dynamic lighting you pretty much have yourself a black mesa level.

[bur]

have you even played BM? :retard:

[AdrianJacek]

@bannedforlife

Don’t sell yourself short, it’s the same engine. Add in some high res textures and dynamic lighting you pretty much have yourself a black mesa level.

Have you even seen the headcrab chamber in Questionable Ethics?

[Crypt]

@bannedforlife

Basically all he has to do is get high res textures in place and it will be just like black mesa. All the hard work like entity tweaking is done. I think this is a valid point. Hell he even made a model for the gonarch in like a day. Making the actual structure of levels is pretty easy.

Except no. All of my no. The geometry is still insanely blocky, and a simple retexture wouldn’t bring it to be “just like Black Mesa.” The Black Mesa devs are reimagining Xen, that’s why it’s taking longer. It’s a terrible point. And his Gonarch was a brush based, and off of something the devs did looooong ago.
It’s funny, a lot of his work is based around what he has from Black Mesa to work with.

@bannedforlife

What about when valve releases a new engine that competes with battlefield 3? We will all be wanting a HL1 remake on that engine won’t we?

Why? Black Mesa’s out, why would you want yet another remake? I’d welcome people trying to reimagine Half-Life again, but someone else’s attempts are entirely irrelevant to Black Mesa. As I said before, they’re bringing it to Source, not 2012. If someone else wants to try reimagine Half-Life and bring it to 2012 in a way Black Mesa didn’t and isn’t Simply Half-Life with hires textures that’s their business, and it doesn’t matter here.

@bannedforlife

The longer it takes for this mod to come out on the current engine, the less time for glory it will have before someone comes along and makes black mesa on a newer engine. It will happen.

@Crypt19

If someone wanted to put Wolfenstein 3D on GoldSrc no one would even mention the dated graphics, but for some reason (seemingly because the game looks so good) a lot of people seem to think it should compete with freakin’ Battlefield 3 or some other new FPS. This is completely irrelevant to anything here at all.

Again, I wish those lucky bastards luck with that, but it doesn’t matter here. Half-Life has almost all of it’s glory and that bastards almost 14. Black Mesa came out just a month ago, isn’t supposed to be top of the line, and you think it matter whether someone else will redo it in the future? All I can say about that, if I may speak freely, is who the hell gives a fuck? I don’t think Valve batted an eye at thinking someone might remake Half-Life: Source when they released it along with the Source SDK. The Black Mesa team released an amazing game, and they’re supposed to worry about the (highly unlikely) possibility that someone else will go and do it, too?

So yeah, unless you bring up another ridiculous point so ludicrous that the impulse to respond beats me, I think I’m done here, as it’s clear you won’t listen to reason. I absolutely hate to resort to this old, overused response, but it fits too perfectly: If you think it’s all so easy, I suggest you try taking a crack at it at least, yourself, and prove what you say. Designing levels, programming, modeling, 2D art, voice work, animation, managing 40 people, writing, etc. is not easy and takes time.

[Dotard]

@xalener

Of course it is! The next release won’t take place in Black Mesa will it? It’s called Black Mesa because that’s what it is

The only issue I had with the HECU is that they were too sourcy. The stiff movement from point to point, the auto lock on, the not-reacting-to-pain, all of that. It did make it more difficult, but that wasn’t my issue. It made it feel kinda wrong. Like, I’d be sucked into the game with the amazing voice acting and audio and visuals, then these floating torsos darting from point to point dragging legs behind them would show up emptying mags perfectly into my chest within a trillianth of a second of seeing me. Either that, or they’d stare at me for 13 seconds, run over to the wrong side of cover, start to fire, change their mind, and run back to where they were before and proceed to empty into me. The melee only enemies weren’t too bad, but you know. They’re them.

Don’t state the truth, you will be told to set the difficulty to Easy or less than that.

[yrr]

@Dotard

Don’t state the truth, you will be told to set the difficulty to Easy or less than that.

While i get your point, please don’t bother us with that AGAIN. Not bitching or anything, but we’ve been all through this in the beginning of the thread, ok ? I’ll admit that the Source AI isn’t state of the art, even if the Devs improved it (and they improved it hell a lot !), but you only have this AI and if your tactic doesn’t work on hard, change it, change the conditions (cvars!) or change the difficulty. Simple as that. Or you can programm your own AI if you wish. Just my 2 cents…

[coldroll]

If you go to the tweaking thread, you can find Npc values you can change to make them similar to the old AI. That’s what I did anyway.

[Thatamos]

Since I’m in a mood, I’m gonna admit to having briefly skimmed the previous four pages in disinterest and am reacting strictly from the title.

Don’t bite the hand the feeds. Because a game that’s free to anyone who owns the internet, albeit a temporarily incomplete one, is still better than most of the things I’ve shelled actual cash for on Steam.