WEHRMACHT: Misunderstood Monsters?

#21

why does everyone think i spend all my time watching “American war movies” and playing Call of Duty? :S

I spent a good deal of high school and middle school reading and taking classes on the subject, particularly the holocaust and the events surrounding it. I’m well aware of the significance of all the victories and achievements, i just think people need to stop bullshitting themselves with all this comradery noise pollution. But shucks, who am i to stop you guys. People love their wars, and i can’t say i’m much different :awesome:

#22

Because of how you presented this thread. Being over bias in one direction does not counterbalance the bias of a different group, it just makes you look uninformed. :wink:

#23

If this was Facepunch I’d probably already be banned and called a Nazi on multiple occasions, just making a point - I’m sure the average level of intelligence on these forums is higher.

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Also, I think this thread is a bomb waiting to go off…

#24

Is this thread perhaps about me and my grandpa? Maybe I shouldn’t have related his story elsewhere…

#25

Only if you’re already biased.

As for the “bias” in my presentation, well, i’m sorry but reality hurts sometimes. :pirate:

#26

Pretty much every woman in Berlin was raped multiple times by Russian soldiers in 1945, are you going to make a thread about them to? Because from what I remember, most people call the Russians heroes of world war two.

Facts hurt sometimes, you are right.

#27

I could make a thread about them, why not?
But nobody was talking about russians here, to my attention. :wink:

keep going, since you sound so inspired

#28

I was just making a point, unless you want to show me all the warcrimes commited by both the allies and axis just to show how bad they were.

#29

they were pretty bad, let me tell ya

#30

My grandma’s mother and aunts were gangraped by Russian soldiers during their flight from Poland. My grandma was a little girl at that time and was hidden in the hay of the barn where the rape took place. She heard her mother and aunts cry and the soldiers groan, trying to keep silent because she was afraid they would hurt her as well, even although she was but eleven years old. She had heard of younger German girls being ravished by enemy soldiers already. Whenever she relates that story again, tears run down her cheeks and her voice cracks.

Hey, but I guess they got what they deserved for being Germans, right?

#31

Did i say that? nope.
I just meant that the Wehrmacht were no more innocent than anybody else in any war in history, and for some reason you guys are freaking out about that

Blame mattemuse, he started it :sick: [COLOR=‘DarkSlateGray’]j/k matt

#32

We know that, but a lot of people also hold them responsible for the warcrimes commited by the Nazi’s and (Waffen) SS.

#33

Ballsopt, are you catz’ troll?

#34

Yes, and in my personal opinion, they were all ultimately the same force, fighting for the same cause. There were plenty of desperate SS, just as there were anywhere else at that time.

All people, labels just obscure that.

naw [COLOR=‘Black’](assuming i have any idea what catz’ troll implies)

#35

Hai guise, what’s going on in this thread?

#36
  1. Are you suuuuure?
  2. If you’re really not, then:
#37

Ah, I see. Well, If i were a paranoid schizophrenic i would certainly suspect myself.

#38

Hahahahaha can of worms when people look that up.

Fair enough. No army is blameless. The end.

EDIT: I just thought that the main reason for this “blame alleviation” may be because Wermacht forces did a lot of stuff under orders while armies like Russia’s had a lot of voluntary abuses. Not to say that German troops didn’t do shit without authorisation however.

#39

I find this post incredibly ironic. You’re following stereotypes while insinuating that we follow stereotypes.

I don’t base anything off of ‘American war movies’ or ‘Call of Duty’ and you should feel like a jackass for assuming we’re that naive. I fully realize the achievements of the German and Russian military during World War 2 and no one here has tried to say any different. It still doesn’t make the Wehrmacht a bunch of role models for society, though, does it?

#40

War is dehumanising. Soldiers of all nations throughout history have (sometimes) committed horrible acts when their day to day life is so divorced from normal society as to involve moving from place to place to kill people. It’s sad but true.

There are many examples (not to single them out but for the US for instance: Abu Ghraib, anyone? Vietnam?) we could cite for the armed forces of most peoples and nations (including my own), still doesn’t mean the Wehrmacht or people who lived in Nazi Germany (as my grandmother did, before she married a Brit during the postwar occupation of Germany) should be demonised. Doesn’t mean they should be unabashedly celebrated either. No group of people should ever be considered above criticism.

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