UK Riots.

#101

I live near the Dutch/German/Belgian border, but I officially live in the Netherlands.

That’s what it’s supposed to look like on paper. As I mentioned earlier the idea of government seems good, but in reality it’s far different. First of all, I really don’t see the government as ‘one of my tools’ I can use. I have no control over any of the government institutions. They do whatever they want, regardless of what I might think. I already showed you that institutions like the FDA are easily corrupted, one day you have people working for McDonalds and the next they’re working for the FDA. The government does not advance our desires, but inhibits them. Nobody wants to pay taxes, many people want drugs legalized, pretty much everyone thinks government is too big, nobody wants those pointless wars. You can request all you want to the government, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s impossible to fund all the things we want. All those liabilities, wars and other fancy government programs only exist thanks to our fiat currencies. The fact that it doesn’t work is the reason we are in this dire economic situation. Those rich people you see on television are only there because corporations with similar interests funded their campaigns.

And why are you bringing the founding fathers into this. They sure as hell didn’t want a government like the US has today. They wanted a very small limited government, with minimal taxation to take care of only the most basic things. A free market and freedom is what they wanted. They were also strongly against the idea of a central banking system and fiat currencies. They knew this new freedom would create a lot of wealth, and it did. The US became the biggest economy in the world, but as I mentioned earlier this also means more tax money becomes available and thus the inevitable growth of the government sets in. Now the US has the biggest government in the world, and they have more debt than anyone else. Their government has destroyed their own economy via taxation, endless regulation, government liabilities like the welfare state, minimum wage and so on. All of this hinders the creation of jobs and wealth, and so the US lost its production capability. And now they’re drowning in ever increasing debt, they have the largest prison population, endless regulation and hundreds of military bases established all around the world.

I’m going to leave it at this, since you brought up the founding fathers, here’s some quotes from Jefferson about government and monetary policy:

And finally, my two favorite ones:

Regardless of these quotes, I don’t agree with many other things he said, but he has a sound understanding of the importance of a free market and freedom. He knew exactly what could go wrong, and unfortunately for us, it did. This is also what happened to the Roman Empire, and as it was collapsing I’m pretty sure there were plenty of people just like you danielsangeo, telling us how perfect government is and how happy we should be with having one.

#102

Oh ok, my bad I thought you were talking about my government. silly me.

#103

So getting back on rail, What do you guys think of the e-petition to remove any benefits from people found guilty in these riots?

#104

good luck with bookkeeping on that one.

#105

Not to get off topic in the UK Riot’s thread…oh wait I’m actually on topic but:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14500869 the guy tried to put out a fire and the rioters “critically injured” him. “That’s right fuck the system let’s kill a 68 year old who’s trying to put out our fires!”

#106

It would certainly save a lot of money as I suspect a large proportion of the ‘rioters’ are on some form of benefit, at least those outside of the original Tottenham protests. The idiots destroyed the livelihoods of so many independent retailers. That’s really fucking smash the system. Sheesh.

The original protesters at least were rioting about SOMETHING and weren’t just young thugs (and it’s scary how young these kids are) perpetrating mindless acts of vandalism and theft. Not that that means I condone what they did.

#107

Sass, don’t bother, people can’t read, business as usual.

#108

how about they are tried and convicted just like anyone else that commits a crime?

taking special measures would be very, very wrong

edit: at the ‘take away the benefits’ people

#109

I’m not too sure how it will effect people as I don’t have a vast knowledge of the benefit system, though I would like to see any convicted rioters to have any privileges taken away.
As a young person who has recently just come out of the education system I have been to school with the type of people who make up most of the riot mob and I feel like most of them don’t understand that if you actually pay attention in school and focus on what you want to become in the long term then just thinking you should be entitled to everything with no price.

The way the “badman” thing works is that the more people are scared of you and the more you show disregard towards the authorities, or people who in normal society are seen as people with most respect and control, then the more badman you are. There is an easy way of combating this, show them that you aren’t scared and they have no control over you. where as normal society works off respect the grime scene works of fear and this has to stop. Schools need to be more hard in punishment.

My school I feel was not at all good at punishment. I was bullied for quite some time quite severely and the bullies got nothing more then a “oh don’t do that again” while a boy who slashed another student with a razor blade got excluded for a mere month.

These people need to be shown while young that you cannot rule with fear.

I would also like to shoot down the argument that for black youths, there are no role models. As if role models are race specific. But if we keep saying that “it’s because there’s no one for black youth” Then we’re just making the gap between races ever more prevalent. I also think that black history month needs to be taken away and black history to be woven into the rest of the year. In black history month, we learn about the american civil rights movement, which I know is a huge part of world history, however we only need to cover this subject once. Black history month simply does nothing do help ease racial tension in schools.

I feel that teachers could help make students understand what they have done wrong and why. Many times I have seen a student do something wrong and a teacher call them out for it but not actually say what they did wrong, this confuses the student and can make the student feel discriminated (no matter the race or background).

Not that any of this justifies looting and rioting, it’s only suggestions of how to prevent people thinking they can just mess up the town because it’s the fault of everyone else.

#110

It’s a US thing.

But yeah racial tension will remain regardless of how well we know the past. Simply and vaguely put, people’s differences are the cause of most if not all of the worlds problems.

#111

No it’s not. We have it here in the UK

#112

I’m not going to read up on all that’s been said in this here thread, but this article raises quite a few points that are not just valid/of importance in Britain:
https://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/moral-poverty-and-the-riots/#more-2640
Most importantly “the introduction of the market ethos into every area of life”.

#113

Didn’t BART also jam up cellphone signals without a warrant?

#114

So, is it done ? Can we travel safely to see the Olympic games ?

#115

Anyone else amused that a ‘conspiracy theorist’ uses wikipedia as source material?

Anyone else not realise he has no grasp of human nature? Like if we get rid of the evil doers in government they won’t be in the rest of society anyway?

Like these ‘evil’ people would instantly have no power and no means to monopolise things to their own ends in an anarcho-capitalist state? Lol. Whos deluded?

The government is a tool in order to be better organised in a the larger, modern structure of society, regulating the bad seeds in order to let the others flourish. Ridding ourselves of it because of its inevitable problems due to the bad side of human nature is the kind of short sighted mentality that innevitably does more harm then good. As for tax, that is an entirely comparitive topic, comparative to what the taxes are spent on.

I honestly can’t believe this went on for 6 pages. Dude reads a book ( read: Wikipedia ) on an anarchistic form of anti government when he’s a teenager and goes on a self righteous rant. How original.

Rioters should be jailed, looters should be shot.

Sean Locke ( a comedian ) put it best with…
‘I was watching the news and they were interviewing a girl on the streets, she said “Yeah well I iz jus lootin ma taxes bak innit”…
They don’t tax crack you idiot!’

They are opportunistic scum, end of. You want a real discussion, try why the hell have channel 4 put on a series of shows glorifying these people. Adverts for their ‘urban season’ depict thieves running away from police and gangs of self obsessed wannabe gangsters rapping about generally being pricks and how awesome they are for it.

When you start mainstreaming and selling out to these people, then you know things are wrong.

#116

No one who is not interested in politics/human nature/complex discussions/UK can read this thread through and understand it completely.

Too much text.

#117

what you mean to say is, those who are intellectually lazy can’t read through this thread through and understand it completely

or, more accurately, those who recognize that discussions on this forum are pretty stupid and pointless will read this thread through

#118

Just when I think it’s getting quite this muppet shows up spouting all his bullshit about me, not reading anything of what has been posted and just comes here to show off how smart he thinks he is. Well I do read a discussion before I partake in it, so here goes (again).

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but please quote any posts I might have made that refer to an existing conspiracy theory. I have never claimed to use Wikipedia as my primary source of information, you’re just pulling that out of your ass. It’s useful for quickly introducing others to a subject without telling them they should just read a few books about it. That’s what encyclopedias are for you know.

Humans are evil by nature? That’s your argument? And I’m the one who has no grasp on human nature? :lol:

You do realize that the anarcho part in anarcho-capitalism stands for anarchism. Anarchism means [COLOR=‘Red’]no state. You just lost whatever credibility you may have had. Also, please refer to my post where I claimed that a free market would not have monopolies.

How nice of you to show your opinion, unfortunately all of this has already been talked about by ODB and I. If you don’t want to read it because it’s boring, fine, just don’t come in here trying to look like a smartass to those who haven’t read the thread.

You’re just pulling that out of your ass, I never claimed any of that.

hurr durrrr :retard:

What a disappointment. :facepalm:

#119

Fuck off, Jeannot.

Mented, it’s your fucking fault too. Do humanity a favor, both of you - find a nine 9mm and shoot yourself in the head.

#120

Oh! Oh! Oh! Let me go and get my pistol and camera!

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