Fuck you.
A belief is a disbelief. And a disbelief is a belief. Right is left. Up is down. War is peace. Ignorance is strength.
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He’s says negative belief = disbelief
You didn’t get it right.
How about you actually argue your stance instead of calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you ignorant?
King_Kaddo, so you are saying that if we try to find a god in things we know exist, or within thoughts we are capable of and know are logical, we won’t find him. However, if we try to find him using knowledge written centuries ago by anonymous authors, with many mistranslations and misinterpretations, we will find all the answers.
Bloody hell.
No. He said it was a belief in a negative, not a negative belief. They are two different things.
Yes that’s right.
Only one thing: The qur’an is not being mistranslated in that way you think it s. Every translation of the qur’an no matter how good it is is considered “fake” because you will always lose tiny or sometimes bigger details when you translate something. Interpretations can always be read critically but are a good source of information. Anonymous authors… yes that’s also right. Mohammed couldn’t read or write so he told everything he had to tell to other people who wrote it down. There is a very very good interpretation of the qur’an which is over 6000 pages long and is written by the time around between the two world wars. I have already read some pages. That’s where I get most of my information. The way so said it makes it very clear that there can be something beyond our thoughts and logic.
belief in negative would be belief in not existence of god then ?
So, second-hand multiply-translated dictation is superior to testable evidence?
Kaddo, so you believe everything that is written down in a book…because the books says it is is inspired by God. That is circular reasoning.
The qur’an was always written in arabian. I want to see or hear of the testable evidence (I mean it, this is not rhetorical)
It’s not just a book. There are a lot of people who said that this book really is something by god. It’s not inspired by Mohammend. He wasn’t a philosopher. It was sent to him the same way as it was to Jesus and Moses. (Oh wait, you meant the interpretation. I read it critically.)
I think it is impossible to proof that god exists as well as to proof that he exists.
There is no testable evidence for any deity (unless you’re referring to a fetish or an idol in which case, yes, those do exist and can be tested empirically, but not their deityhood). If Mohammed actually wrote (or spoke or sung) what’s in the Qu’ran, how is it any different from J.K. Rowling writing about Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry?
I’m not trying to be an asshole. I’m not trying to be a dickhead. I genuinely don’t understand and would love to know.
J.K.Rowling will be forgotten after 1400 years. By the time of Mohammed the first muslims were tortured. There belief were so big that they didn’t told them were Mohammed was. Today there a muslims that react very aggressive in terms of Mohammed.
Also, the content.
and a lot more.
You want testable evidence of what, exactly? Your request confuses me.
There are also a lot of people who said that Greek gods, Egyptian gods, etc. are real. Is that enough to believe it?
And yes, it is impossible to prove that god exists. That’s kind of the point, isn’t it?
Edit: so the fact that something isn’t forgotten is enough for it to be true? I guess Australian Aboriginals, for example, are right about everything, too?
They have stories (actual historical stories, in many cases, but also spiritual etc.) that are 20000 years old.
So, that’s the dividing line, eh? Okay. The Pyramids of Giza, which predate Christianity be a couple millennia prove that Ra and Horus exists? Also, there are still Zoroastrians in the world (mainly in Iran). What do you think that means?
EDIT: Ack! :ninja:d
You asked for a comparison between JK and Mohammed. You can’t come with other examples now. But I can continue if you want. The pyramids of giza and the old egyptians are all history stuff while Islam is history that continues until today and even grows. The Zoroastrians and all other religions are obsolete because Mohammed was the last prophet. There is a wild number of the amount of prophets in history. (Somewhere from 100,000 to 400,000) Only 16 or 17 of them were mentioned in the qur’an.
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But that’s not the point, is it? I asked what the difference was between the Qu’ran and the Harry Potter books and you said “People won’t remember J.K. Rowling”. So? Relevance?
Maybe in 2000 years they will make a religion out of Black Mesa, and our descendants will worship god Raminator for her pretty nose, it’s all written down somewhere.
The differences between Harry Potter and Qur’an:
Let’s say JK wanted to found a religion called Griffindor. That religion says that humans can do this and that…etc.(I guess you have read at least one Harry Potter book). If you have read it as a religious book it would never have been so successful. You would’ve propably said: “That bitch has some serious problems.”
The qur’an was published as a religious book but people didn’t say something like that at all.
That’s the key difference.
smashing my head against my desk rn
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