Straight vs LGBT(Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transexual)

#141

I’m not suggesting any legal restraint, but i am suggesting that society should frown on obnoxious behavior. Gay people who make their gayness their life are no different than straight people who make hating gay people their life. any sort of advancement for gays will come from society not focusing so much on the act that their gay. being gay, should not be a big deal, and as such, gays shouldn’t flaunt it to others. look at people as individuals and not as belonging to a certain group.

@nietzschesaurus

i do think its ok to call obnoxious black people niggers, i don’t know about Oklahoma, but i know a lot of black people, a lot of them are regular people, some of them are niggers because their obnoxious inappropriate behavior matches the stereotype for their group.

just as some gay people are fagots because of their obnoxious habits, not all gay people are, just some. but those “some” seem to be running the show for their community. i don’t know if that is the medias fault or their own, but it doesn’t look good to a conservative 45yr old voter watching men blow each other in the gay pride parade.

#142

I know what you meant but even if it was a social restraint how would you feel if people called you slurs because you act a certain way?

I know those people are obnoxious idiots but it’s just something to think about, take a mile in their shoes you know?

#143

Jesus…

If someone’s obnoxious it doesn’t give you the right to use such discriminative terms for them. The insults you’re using are very weighty words that have a shitload of history behind them and shouldn’t be used so lightly. If someone’s acting like a dick, call them a dick, not a nigger. Their race has nothing to do with them being a prick, so why should you insult them in that way?

#144

If someone is acting in an unwarranted manner, maybe it’s the person, not their sexual orientation. If someone repeatedly tries to strike up a relationship after you tell them you’re not interested, gay or straight, they are an asshole and should be thrown out of whatever establishment that you’re in… not only that, but it borders on harassment (or worse!) and could be illegal.

Tell them that if they don’t leave you alone right now, you’ll have them arrested for unwanted sexual contact. That kind of shit should not be tolerated.

…and has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation.

Just think what it would be like if a man did that to a woman in a bar. What do you think would happen?

#145

my point is though, they made a conscious choice to act that way. they may have not chosen to be gay, but they chose to be annoying.

when a child acts out and cries and seeks attention, most people will just appease them, but myself and a small minority would scold the child for acting out.

you should treat obnoxious behavior the same way. Look, my uncle is gay, he has a job, he has a boyfriend, and people know this, but he never goes around and impresses his lifestyle on to other people.

i just think that the extremes of straights and the extremes of gays are representing the majority even though most straight people aren’t lynchers, and most gay people aren’t flamers.

but when a gay kid comes out eventually in high school, he doesn’t get a handbook on how to be gay, so he’ll emulate what he sees on the internet and the media. thats a problem, and it’s something that gay people should be conscious about.

Jesus…

it does warrant that weighty insult when they are intentionally trying to emulate that stereotype. i have Italian and German heritage, so if i went down the street and talked like mario, said i ate nothing but pasta, etc. and tried to act out every stereotype. then my behavior would 100% warrant a derogatory insult.

extreme behavior should have extreme repercussions. pardon the example, if you don’t like being called a nigger, or a fagot, then don’t act like one, it’s as simple as that.

#146

I’m sure he knows,

He just has an eye for an eye mentality.

#147

@ DYLAN: You said that something happened in a party where a gay guy came on to you and didn’t leave it? You’ve just experienced what just about any attractive woman has gone through trying to have a drink in a bar, then calling the douche that fondled her some filthy name. Happens all the time. Does that not qualify as obnoxious behavior as well, just because its straight obnoxiousness?

Just because gay people do it, it’s worse? If some straight people get to be obnoxious (in regards to their sexuality), such as that guy who runs around (that nobody actually likes) screaming about how many girls he slept with or the guy who constantly touches women inappropriately at bars, why can’t there be a few gays like that too?

And about “them having made a conscious choice” to be ‘obnoxious’… so did the straight guy I’ve been referring to. ALL of them. Except the ones who are drunk, then they made an a decision, surprisingly enough, the exact same way a drunk gay guy would, with help from the alcohol.

And finally, (just because DYLAN’s posts are SO fun…) Obama’s hardly black. It’s like a technicality. And NO, I don’t love him or hate him any more for his race/color/creed/shoe-size/or-what-the-fuck-ever. Well, actually, maybe his creed does apply to that situation… But that’s not this topic, sorry.

Sorry bout the lack of quotes, but everything I responded to was posted by the DYLAN guy, and is on this page.

Edit: I really need to optimize my posting skills. So far every one in this thread has been editted and added on to several times over quite a number of minutes…

#148

No, it really doesn’t warrant it. Like Sassy has said, you’re insulting a whole group of people when you use words like that in such a way.

#149

@sassyrobot: I quite dislike the F word to the point where I don’t even use it as you did, but I don’t have a problem with your usage here; it’s the word that you were discussing, not your using it as part of normal prose.

@dylan: Your use of derogatory words linked with entire groups of people to describe the admittedly asshatted actions of a single individual is uncalled for. Call the asshat an asshat. There’s no need to slander entire groups of people because you’re upset someone of a certain group did something you didn’t like. The guy that kept hitting on you in the bar. Was he also Caucasian? Does that warrant you calling him the “C” word that is another name for a saltine?

#150

but times have changes, look at how people use the word gay, it now has meaning with no sexual references. the same goes for the word fag, it has changed its definition several times throughout history, and now its starting to be used less for insulting gays, and more for people who are obnoxious. i don’t see whats wrong with using an insult, to insult somebody who warrants it.

possibly to some people, but that is because i am repeatedly pressing the matter because of how shocked i am at your responses. i guess the reason why i’m so shocked is because i consider myself to be a moderate accepting person. I’m joining the military because i give a shit about my country, that includes gays, blacks, Latinos, and anybody who is an american. i care about human life, and if i’, willing to die for you, then you might as well have some respect, and if you don’t, you’ll be met with my hostility (9.9/10 thats verbal.)

on a side note, all my opinions are based off of my experiences, because what you see on TV, is not what happens IRL. I’ve been robbed before, I’ve been around pimps before, I’ve been at/around gay pride parades before. so i base my opinions off people who i come into contact with. it’s very nice to live in a politically correct society, but in reality, when you experience things, you are going to form opinions, and its an american tradition to share those opinions.

(I’m not an american fan boy if your thinking that, i don’t trust my government, but i believe in my country and its people, despite how irrational we are at times.)

#151

Except that the F would HAS NOT lost its disparaging meaning. Too many people use it as an umbrella term for anyone that isn’t “100% straight”.

#152

It’s nowhere near that simple: it depends entirely on how you use it. If you use it derogatively against a homosexual person it’s still just as serious.

It’s fine to insult people if they warrant such behaviour, but the group they belong in has absolutely fuck-all to do with their behaviour.

#153

Nigger isn’t a stereotype, you ignoramus… Nigger is a racial slur. I mean, calling somebody of Moorish blood (such as me, but I’m white, so I don’t have to worry about it anyway) African-American, or black (as is the most-common and perfectly acceptable term) is one thing, but calling any black person a nigger is downright reprehensible. I don’t even like it when I hear two black people referring to eachother as Nigga.

EDIT: Sorry this came late, when I posted it, there were five less posts, heh. Active topic, filled with just about as much, if not a little more, intelligence than stupidity.

#154

i can’t believe i wrote changes. god I’m tired.

#155

Get some sleep, and reformulate any ideas you might have right now when you are well-rested. Not trying to shut you down or insult you or anything like that, but quite often when you post when your tired, things can come out TOTALLY different than what you were thinking.

Oh, and I haven’t heard anybody use the word faggot as an insult (to non-gays) in a year or two. It had its peak, but now pretty much gay is just used in stead of stupid, and you can tell when it’s being used properly vs. not really.
“Oh that’s just gay” stupid
“He’s gay” either.
“That gay guy is a little annoying” homosexual.

But faggot is totally unacceptable in my opinion.

#156

I’ve never called someone a nigger or faggot to their face. well, I’ve never called a gay person a faggot to their face. one of my best friends is black, and he happens to share my opinion, at least where i live, the word nigger has become a way of describing a certain type of black person, much as the word wigger, describes a certain type of white person. A wigger doesn’t try to be like Booker T. Washington, he tries to be like a black drug dealer or rapper.

#157

I think all these politically incorrect slurs should all be renamed to a simpler, less harmful sounding word that still displays the same level of hate. Every group has those people in it that nobody likes, so insted of singling out people of certain races or groups, we will be putting them all in the same boat. That, in my opinion, would solve a lot of this controversy.

#158

Except, you know, for the lack of hatred. The most corrosive and deplorable emotion on our gamut of feeling. Even the most flaming of ultra-queers, clad in assless chaps, a sequined bandanna and a sailor hat, is infinitely above the moral level of someone who hates others for who they fall in love with. Your failure to realize that indicates that you are a fucking IDIOT.

For a lot of gay people, the struggle for getting full rights has pulled them together, giving them a distinctive culture. To you, this is intolerable. To them, it’s a cocoon against a harsh, savage world of abuse, cruelty and condemnation, of people staring at them as they hold hands and looking away with grimaces when they kiss.

FAGGOT!

#159

So… your saying that as long as you don’t say it to their face, it’s fine. Kind of a nasty way of thinking.

EDIT: Oscillating, nice post outta’ the blue!

#160

Why do you (or your friend) need to use derogatory words that are STILL LINKED with entire groups of people?

If they’re acting like a poser, call them a poser. If he’s acting like an asshole, call him an asshole. If he’s acting like a dick, call him a dick. If he’s being piggish, call him a pig. Why do you feel the need to go right to the derogatories?

Dr. Wallace Breen is a prick. He’s not a “cracker”.

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