Yeah, fuck people for wanting a better experience, and fuck Valve for providing them that experience :retard:
and then you’ll probably be all like: “but they could releeze it for free… stoopid valve”
I agree to an extent, but I must add that Valve stated that L4D2 will be backwards-compatible with L4D, so L4D2 players can play L4D campaigns with L4D players on L4D servers… just not visa versa. So there will still be lots of players in theory.
The real outcry of the L4D issue is that L4D2 will include all of L4D, so players who already own L4D will essentially be paying for a certain amount of content that they already own and that there is a certain disloyalty towards L4D players as people new to the franchise will essentially be buying L4D & L4D2 in one, whilst L4D players who want L4D2 will be paying twice. Even if it is more favourable to the L4D player-base.
Also a lot of people were really hoping that Valve would be concentrating on Episode 3 and Portal 2 rather than a rehash of their latest game.
Anyway, I’m pleased to hear about the new campaign.
Its a marketing campaign to get people back playing l4d just 2 months before l4d2 release.
The goal is to increase the player base right before the release of l4d2, and time it so players might be a “little” bored with the new content.
This is the way it works - valve is going to give everyone a new toy (new maps). A lot of the players that got bored with the game and stopped playing will have a “real” reason to start playing again. They will play the new maps for a few weeks. And guess what, just about the time their getting bored again, valve has a whole new game to buy. Its called l4d2. All of your buddies are buying it, so why not go ahead and get it. After all, you bored with the first one, yet again.
Its all a big marketing campaign.
It’s been less than a year. So if you didn’t buy the game on the day of release, it may be only 4-5 months now that you have owned it. So if you bought a game for 50 bucks, that is touted as a multiplayer full game title. Then after maybe 6 months of owning it the newer version, dating your copy comes out. Now you can hardly get anything out of the 50 bucks you just spent.
Maybe stupid fucks that think like you do see no problem with this, but I can see why folks who basically just bought the game finding out their copy is going to be almost worthless in a couple months would feel cheated.
How about expecting a company to finish an existing game BEFORE they even consider the sequel? Ridiculous.
Yeah fuck those people who want to play the game they just bought. Well they get this new released content right? Yeah well if there is no one to play with, it kinda defeats the point. A multiplayer game with almost no one playing, is nothing.
I’m sure they’ll have deals on steam for people who have L4D.
Just not on the release day, for obvious money reasons. If you want a few months you’ll surely get a deal though.
If you go back and look at left 4 dead, and all of the changes that have happened over the past 8 months - the game was nowhere close to being finished when it was released. The maps were not finished, there is a limited selection of weapons, only 4 campaigns?, There are a lot of little points that say that the product was pushed out the door just in time for christmas sales.
I dont think that l4d1 was really finished until the big update in March or April - when survivor mode was released. And even now, I still dont think the game is finished.
In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, valve took the left 4 dead project and divided it in half. Part of it was released in 2008, and updated over the next 6 - 8 months. The second part will be released in november of 2009.
This would be about like taking half-life 2, cutting it in half, and releasing it in parts.
The management of valve said a long time ago that they are not going to release any more massive games like half-life 1 or half-life 2. Instead we are going to get smaller games released more often.
If left 4 dead had been released between half-life 1 and 2, we would probably would have gotten both versions of l4d in one big game. Instead, we got 2 smaller games.
So you’re butthurt because Valve doesn’t have the same moral sense as you, basically.
And people who have just bought Left 4 Dead are going to have to suck it up.
Valve is a company, they exist for the sole reason of making money (and they’re going to make a shitload of it when Left 4 Dead 2 hits the shelves), not to make sure you feel comfortable with whatever it is that you spent your money on. That is just something they’ve been nice enough to do so far.
Tbh, this isn’t a reason to say “quit bitchin” or that the guys in the L4D2 Boycott are “whiners”. If you actually read about it, so far the campaign is only consisting of 2 levels. Whether these are longer than usual who knows, but unless they add more to it, it might not be a proper full length campaign. Plus like has been said by a few people already, why are we giving them a pat on the back when this should have come out ages ago? It’s like saying the Survival Pack was proper DLC, it wasn’t. That was supposed to have come with the game, hence being able to have infinite panic events as a console command. The point is, it’s nice to see they’re finally making some head way on the DLC issue, but it still feels a little late and lackluster
Actually unless you are retarded you can see that releasing on such a schedule isn’t smart business sense, as previous sales of a similar product will hurt the sales of a new product if the life cycle isn’t properly realized.
So unless you have anything legitimate to add to that I’m pretty sure your opinion is ill informed and thus pointless.
The whole situation doesn’t bother me in any literal sense, but it’s a pretty dumb maneuver by valve on both a business front, and a PR front. I would hardly say that the argument that ‘valve wants to make money’ is relevant as this actually could wind up badly hurting sales of their new product. Also, as a company that is built on it’s consumer friendly approach, a maneuver that, as you say, requires them to take a questionable business move that hurts the perception of their product should just ‘suck it up’.
I wonder if your radical new business fundamentals will catch on? Fuck consumers, and public perception! How could it possibly go wrong?
I’m not saying it’s how it should be done, I’m saying that’s how Valve has done it with Left 4 Dead 2, and there’s nothing you can do about it, so you might as well suck it up.
I’m starting to get the idea that you are either illiterate or mentally handicapped. I was the one saying it wasn’t the point. It was suggested that this new release is going to alleviate any concerns about how things will go in the coming months. It doesn’t do that, because it doesn’t address the main problem with releasing Left4Dead2. Which is what I said initially. YOU are the one who claimed that people should stop bitching. I was merely pointing out the fact that this is utterly irrelevant to the situation. I’m not going to come in here and claim it’s a grand gesture that makes everything okay when it’s not. I didn’t however bitch about anything until you popped in with your ever so wise words.
Funny that you use the words illiterate and mentally handicapped, because I don’t remember mentioning the new DLC in my original post.
I wasn’t adressing the rest of your post about losing players, I was nitpicking on your last two sentences about Valve being evil to people that just bought L4D because they are improving their game.
Should’ve been pretty obvious given the context of my post, which wasn’t relevant to anything else in your post.
No you simply quoted my response to someone asking what I saw as the real issue people have with the L4D/L4D2 issue with a retarded comment. I didn’t say anything about them being evil this is the last two sentences:
The first sentence is a simple accurate statement. the second is a question that is important given that the life cycle of the original L4D is not near over.
IF you are too stupid to understand what you are reading maybe you aren’t the best judge as to what your post is relevant to?
I’d suggest development of reading skills, and exercise better reasoning when you make a comment.
Pretty much this. Survival is short and boring, Co-op/Versus is long and equally boring, if the two level campaign gets it right and is as good as Destructoid claims it to be, I may devote more than 3 hours per month in L4D. Looking forward to it.
Therefore derailing the discussion about L4D DLC into a L4D2 “argument”. It’s not like it wasn’t nearly inevitable, yet it’s not like it’s a discussion about the L4D DLC either - cause it isn’t. Let’s give Chrillen a warm applause, everyone.
this is realy old news. knew of this over a month ago.
https://www.gamereactor.no/nyheter/117822/Ekspansjon+til+Left+4+Dead/
Now this is something I love to see
Nice job Valve 
It’s called exaggeration. I got the impression that you felt sorry for whoever bought L4D and only had a few months left to play in, because they then ‘wouldn’t be able to enjoy their game’. (Yeah I know that wasn’t part of either of the last two sentences.)
I never questioned the accuray of your statements, and I didn’t try and argue them.
I was making fun of them, and then you started reasoning on why said statements were true.
EDIT: But yeah, I’ll stop derailing the thread.
Yeah, because if there’s one thing the game industry shows us it’s that companies that release frequent sequels to popular game franchises never make money, right?
Name a single successful multiplayer game franchise that succeeded in supplanting their previous product with a replacement before the life cycle was complete on the original.
Hell there is still, what 2-3 years between Halo games? How long was the period between TeamFortress 1 and 2?
How long between CS and CS:S?
Diablo then Diablo 2, then expansion?
Hey it worked for the EA sports games right? I’m sure the image of those games just keeps getting better.
Hell Even battlefield 2142 struggled when compared to Battlefield 2.
@ Chillen: There is a difference between exaggeration and not understanding the point at all.
So you are suggesting that your quoting me to get an opportunity to make an ass of yourself, and should be ignored? I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish by posting…
Thank God for that boycott group, or else Valve would’ve ditched L4D already. Valve’s making it look like they still care for L4D ever since those complaints.