That’s like asking me if I’d rather have 5 people die than 20, when nobody has to die at all. Of course I’m against it being at 25% - I’m against it being at anything but 0, when it’s preventable.
In school we were taught that, if we wanted to have sex with someone, we should first get to know the person pretty good, so there is a basis of mutual trust before we do anything. Then we should first agree to not have sex with anyone else besides our partner. Then we should together take an HIV test. If the test proves we are healthy, we should feel free to start having sex, but it would be better to start with sexual activities that don’t actually have to end up in pushing the penis into the vagina. Petting, kissing, fondling and oral sex should come before the actual sexual intercourse, so that we would get to know our partner’s body well enough to make no critical mistakes when finally sleeping with each other.
And even after taking an HIV test, we should always use a condom, diaphragma and/or the pill to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
I found our sexuality lessons quite good, I must admit. Can’t imagine that such useful info is given to every pupil in every country. I wish it were so.
You pretty much did, actually.
Many schools - not all schools, like those in Australia or Europe.
We’re kind of at a middle ground. Some schools hand them out, some do abstainence-only.
wut, it’s not “worse” here. I haven’t seen any statistics, but I’m pretty sure STDs and unwanted pregnancies are less common here.
You seem to have the idea that if we stop encouraging people in HIV-affected African countries to use a condom, they will suddenly stop having sex.
They’ll have sex, condom or not; is it then not better to encourage them to use it?
They’re not being told (nor do they think) that they can go crazy when using a condom. It has little or no effect on sexual activity.
Most people there barely know anything about HIV in the first place, except that it’s a disease. They often won’t admit they have it because it’s a social stigma.
Preaching abstinence isn’t going to do much good, because it’s not going to happen; you’d be naive to think it will. Condoms at least prevent HIV being passed in 96% of the cases.
I guess we’d have to turn to the statistics, then…and considering I’m at work, I’d rather not be looking up things about sex. If you want to wait until I get home, we can continue.
This is a fallacy. They choose to have sex, which means that they can choose not to do so - it’s just a matter of finding how to convince them not to.
No more naive than believing that handing out condoms will result in people using them every time they have sex.
If you tell people they can safely have sex with condoms, they will have sex. It’s inevitable, and doing so irresponsibly, as will often result, is dangerous, condom or not.
Tell a 15-year-old boy who’s balls are overproducing semen and are regularly 3 or 4 times a day ready to burst that he has a choice not to have sex, although he has a girlfriend who loves him.
Fuck it, the dude’s gonna nail his chick like his life depended on it.
You’re not going to convince millions upon millions of Africans from many different cultures who live in poverty and don’t have time to really think about things because they’re too busy surviving never to have sex outside of marriage. It’s not your or anyone else’s place to do so anyway.
And seriously, using condoms will not make anyone be any less responsible. Where did you get that idea.
Then I think the solution is obvious: 15-year-old boys should not have girlfriends! Let them satisfy themselves with the internet instead.
But seriously. Your example is only true in a world where self-control is abandoned (i.e. our world.) It doesn’t have to be this way.
Why not? What should be so hard about telling anybody, “If you do this, you are guaranteed to rid yourselves of one of the biggest destroyers in your world as you know it?”
It’s not that using condoms makes people less responsible. It’s the message that condoms will make you SAFE is what makes people irresponsible. As I said before, so-called “comprehensive” education more or less tells people, “Don’t have sex, but if you really want to, here’s how to do it and you’ll be safe.”
The first part isn’t encouraged NEARLY enough. Without teaching people self-control, telling them that something will make them safe will only encourage them to do it as much as they please.
Dammit, I’m sorry, I keep double posting without realizing it. Someone delete this and I’ll start paying better attention.
Telling people not to have sex isn’t about self-control it’s about oppression, for god’s sake. Just because your religion says it’s wrong doesn’t mean you have the right to push your beliefs onto the whole world.
I think he might have meant:
“Don’t have sex unless having taken the right precautions first.”
Which is how it was taught at our school. We were discouraged to have sex with just about anybody just for the fun of it and encouraged to chose the right person, the right circumstances and to make the right precautions before starting to get serious.
Nope, he’s been preaching outright abstinence outside of marriage.
Oh. I thought humanity had outgrown the medieval age? 8)
Look at the facts: it’s not working. The pope and many priests or missionaries or whatever have already preached and are still preaching abstinence. It hasn’t been a big success, has it?
And thanks for ignoring me when I said “It’s not your or anyone else’s place to do so anyway.”
Because it isn’t, as Soup and Danson have pointed out as well.
But see the thing is, you said so yourself, they’ll (/some) be using condoms, thus reducing infection rate.
We can’t reduce it to zero that’s unrealistic, but we can reduce it and why the hell not?
That’s completely (for the lack of a better word) retarded, that’s the perfect age for teenagers to learn social skills when dealing with romantic interest, and that’s something that’s very important. Hell, they’ve done studies that being sexually (and romantically) active at such an age is important since repressing these experiences will only cause problems later on in life.
Yep, it can even result in pedophilia - being attracted to minors because you hadn’t got a chance to score in highschool. It’s a fuckin reality. The book “Lolita” is about a man with a similar problem. The story might be fictional, but the sexual disorder the protagonist suffers from is quite real.
Explains why so many priests are pedos :retard:
If you say that having sex is bad, and wearing condoms is bad, then people are going to have sex, but not wear a condom so at least they’ll be doing something right.
Not to mention mentally and emotionally damaging.