Actually, “the right” has a particular worldview as do the centrists and “the left”. If a government or society is too far left, then “the right” wants major change and reform to move it to the right. And vice versa.
Think about it this way: Let’s say you have a far left society. Far leftists would say that things are just fine the way things are and things shouldn’t change, but those on the far right would suggest that major reform and change is necessary.
I doubt that the far right would say that things shouldn’t change in that kind of society.
Centrists, in the meanwhile, would suggest change from either a far left society or from a far right society. And there’s a rainbow of variations in between. Obama is center-right. He advocated change in the left direction…(as Seattle is south of Prudhoe Bay). But that still doesn’t mean he’s left.
That’s only because of the way things are now. Think about it. If laws were super left and socialist and whatnot, rightwingers would surely be for massive change towards more rightist ideals?
Very well, I will cede you this point. I started replying to this and it all got very long and excessive, so I will leave the topic of exactly where Obama is compared to other politicians alone and argue the original topic.
Obama, no matter where he currently is on the political spectrum, is STILL doing VERY VERY bad things for this country, and the media is painting it as a brilliant compromise.
A quote from Biden: “This package is a result of leaders of both sides coming together to act on behalf of the American people at a time that they needed it most,” Biden said. He praised Sen. Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders for being “willing to take issue with some of their own party and to do what was in their view necessary in order to move the country forward.”
He’s calling this a wonderful act of bipartisanship when he should have said “Republicans grabbed us be the fucking balls and squeezed hard resulting in the continued fuckery of the already bleeding economy.” But no. He calls this a shining example of American government’s cooperation and efficiency not a blaring sign of American government’s corruption and destruction.
How can you guys be so fucking disrespectful to our own president? Really guys, you dont have to like him, or even agree with him. But you dont know him personally, you dont een know what hes like, just because you dont agree with his political views gives you no right to bad mouth him
Bad mouth him? Dude, do you even KNOW what bad mouthing is? How about calling him a communist? How about calling him a terrorist sympathizer? How about calling his presidential eligibility into question simply due to his race? That’s bad mouthing.
Everything said has been logical criticisms of his actions, not the ridiculous name-calling Republicans have been famous for. Well perhaps there have been a few cuss words thrown in, but they’re just there to express passion .
yeah sorry, I feel behind in the debate and then forgot about it.
Anyway. Obama hasn’t been enacting ANY change towards the left. Health care “reform” was a joke that actually helped bloated corrupt insurance companies. The left part of the Bush tax cut compromise was a bluff; the Republicans couldn’t take out unemployment benefits, people would be furious with them.
Also, in his campaign, he promised change not only to the left of where we are and to the left of neutral. Like closing down Guntanamo Bay, that’s an incredibly left idea. REAL health care reform is very leftist. Caring about “Main Street, not Wall Street” is incredibly leftist.
Sorry, but that Health Care Reform was towards the left. As for closing Gitmo, well, that’s still in the works and is up to the other two branches now; Obama’s done all he can do on that front.
Did you forget about tax breaks for the rich? And you can hardly consider ANYTHING that helps Health Care companies as leftist, seeing as they are one of the greatest evils in a country living upon greed and corruption.
It’s more left than what was prior. Or did you miss my prior labeling as Obama as a centrist? The HCB might’ve helped the health care companies BUT it provided help for people, too, such as restricting the denial of coverage due to “pre-existing conditions”.
Okay. I will leave this alone. My main problem is that you claim he was ALWAYS a centrist. Promising sweeping extreme reform such as closing Guantanamo Bay is not something a centrist would do. A centrist would suggest compromise and moderate change towards the middle, not strong actually helpful changes past the middle and into the left.
^ Depends on how far “south” into the city you go. /Sarcasm
Over all, Obama’s trying to get what’s best for the country, it’s admirable, but pointless. I went over a conversation like this with a guy I know.
He said it’s big business that runs the Senate and government anywhere. That’s how it is and how it will remain. The guys with the real power are the guys with cash. They don’t want to loose any of it so they’re the the ones who are against the bill(s) or law(s) most of the time on either side.
Somone’s right, both the Dems and Repubs are to blame for the troubles, not just one. Neither are willing to compromise on a front that is good for the country.
It’s usually: “This idea’s not a good idea because it makes me loose too much money.”
Or
“Where’s the new insert object here for insert state/province here? If it isn’t there I won’t vote for the bill.”
It’s these kinds of things that irritate the fuck out of me, you think that they would vote on it because it’s a good idea rather than because it suits them best to cover their asses with.
But my point is promising REAL health care reform is like going to San Diego. That’s farrrrrr to the left of “neutral”. Closing Guantanamo Bay is to the left of nuetral.
Obama promised to take us so far left we’d be neutral, but it never happened. Obama hasn’t really taken us anywhere left or right.
@chikenprotector Compromise is the problem. We aren’t in this mess because Democrats and Republicans refused to compromise and get anything done, we’re in this mess because Democrats let Republicans stomp all over them.The entire problem here is Republican WILL NOT compromise, and Democrats are willing to kneel at their feet and suck their dicks. Obama needs to grow some balls and kick the Republicans asses rather than caving instantly. I think this whole caving is even a scam. If he truly didn’t want corporate domination like the Republicans, then he would actually put up a fight. So either he’s just about as impotent as you can get or he’s secretly a Republican.
TL;dr: the idea that without compromise we can’t accomplish anything because both parties would disagree too much is a Republican myth, because they know the Democrats will sit their with their tails between their legs while negotiating compromise. This “Compromise” is simply a sham that allows Republicans to get their way without having a majority and without either party looking bad to the public.
Obama promised it, but hasn’t been able to get it. Yet. Unless you think Obama as someone with super-powers. Like walking on water.
In 1776, the founding fathers of the North wanted everyone to be free and equal, but couldn’t get independence from Britain while slavery was being eliminated (the South would have none of it), so they had to keep slavery to get independence. It would be many years, and a massive war later, that this notion became true.
Give it time, Garth. He’s not a miracle worker but he’s gotten some great things accomplished.
It still doesn’t change the fact that the guys with money are the guys with power. I can agree that the republicans are doing the money grubbing.
And really we need people to stand up for themselves. I’m not pro democratic or Republican, I’m leaning toward change and newer tech to upgrade our armed forces (while being the most powerful, we’re WAY behind) and infrastructure (decaying electrical grid). These are results of disagreements in the Senate and House. Yet they don’t see what it’s doing to the country, it takes a big swing in the head to BOTH parties to get them to open their eyes and vote on it. Even then there’s resistance from Republicans 95% of the way, as you state. Proof’s in the health care bill and what happened with it.
I’m really in the middle when it comes to politics, it’s really irritating with the evidence in their face they still snub at it. I really don’t care who runs the country just so long as they do it right.
My point is: By your logic Democrats should stand up for themselves, in a small end from what I’m getting/guessing.
By my logic some stuff has been done, but I feel that the government is really just sitting on their asses while the idiots on both sides are sitting on top of the checkbooks are snubbing at them saying “no money for you” sort of approach, which is similar to what you said.
I can agree with Daniel because I’ve run an organization before. My term as the Master Councilor (President) of my Chapter (Government/Department) is actually coming to an end at the beginning of January actually. My experiences in the organization called DeMolay has actually taught me a lot on how to be a better person, and so much more in fact. But I have endless stories to tell about that, my point is, I understand a little bit about the inner workings of politics.
Masonic leadership has a similar structure to the American Government HOWEVER they actually agree on it 95% of the time instead of being divided on a subject. It’s not easy to be a leader, it takes careful planning and execution to pull these things off. Having resistance left and right isn’t helping much either.
In 1776 the North was just as reliant on slavery as the South. And sure slavery was a good compromise, but when it came time the North kicked the South’s ass. It’s time for Obama to finish compromising and to kick the Republicans and their wealthy backers’ asses.
And please, do tell me the great things he’s accomplished. I don’t expect him to walk on water, I but I expect him to TRY. and so far I’ve seen little evidence of trying. It’s just been one phony compromise after another.
@chickenprotector I agree with your second post, but if I understand it right it seems like a U-turn from your last post.
Do you really need a list? You haven’t been paying attention? Also, how do I know if I take the time to compile the list you won’t just ignore it?
Also, whether the North was “reliant” on slavery is irrelevant. They wanted it gone but couldn’t get it. Was the Declaration of Independence and the ratification of the United States Constitution “one phony compromise after another”? How about the Civil Rights Act(s)?
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