Yummy hypocrisy!
Actually, I don’t feel that I’m a hypocrite because I’m not doing what I think others shouldn’t do.
so if you kill someone you just check it off the list?
Sorry, but you can’t decide what people should or should not do, just to be up to your own standards.
Do I feel like a fucking hypocrite now? Yeah, at least I realize it.
That’s because junkfood in America is really cheap (unlike the healthy food). Like Michael Pollan said, the supermarket is nothing but an illusion of diversity. Most of those foods are nothing but re-arrangements of processed corn, and the government is making them cheaper and cheaper at the cost of the environment, soil and national health.
Farmers can’t do anything about it, they are completely dominated by the large farming corporations (debt).
Also funny how Americans like to complain about immigration, it’s caused by their own government due to subsidies to corn etc. which puts millions of Mexican farmers out of business.
We’re not going extinct. We’ll reach maximum capacity, there’ll be horrific famines and disease the world over, and our population will be reduced to a manageable size. Billions will die, but we aren’t going extinct any time soon.
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I believe that’s what I said.
I’m not even going to read the thread, I just gotta say: @ Title of thread: Dear Gods, I hope it happens exactly 2 minutes after my funeral.
Don’t worry I was pretty stoned yesterday, I can’t quite make out what I meant from that.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I just wanted to address this. As someone studying to become an archaeologist, I can tell you that the first sentence here is just false. There is now every indication that the majority of what humans ate for most of our existence; the ~2.5 million years we were hunter/gatherers (h/g); was a mix of berries, fruits, and nuts and that, contrary to the popular depiction of h/g societies, meat was the supplement to this diet.
Now, this misconception is understandable once you think about how we do archaeology. We can only observe, and therefore make theories based on, what is left after so long. Thus, since animal bones necessarily preserve better in most climates than plant matter, that’s all we found. But with more recent advances in excavation techniques and certain finds in high-preservation environments, the theory on what we ate changed accordingly.
I do have to agree with you on the subject of grains and their relative lack in nutritional value. The reason that they are so abundant now though is the same reason we don’t currently rely on h/g techniques: it’s easier to make a surplus, store it, and thus support large populations.
TL;DR: Meat was not the mainstay of our early diet, though it’s true grains aren’t as healthy as a balanced diet of meats, nuts, and fruits (and arguably vegetables).
I thought at first you were going to highlight 2.5-million-years of meat-eating as being relatively short evolutionary, to defend a vegetarian diet for the ten million before that. But apparently you were trying to make it sound long. When I realized my misunderstanding, you lost all credibility in my head even though your stance was less radically different from my own than at first I thought. 
Yes, meat has been a supplement, and a mighty good one. Let’s stick with it and learn how to farm berries for cheaper.
Healthy foods are almost always more expensive. A diet comprised mostly of raw foods including things like fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, dairy is healthiest. Fish and meat are also a part of it, but in smaller numbers (especially the meat). They are not a requirement at all. It’s recommended to have a diet that has at least 51% raw uncooked foods. All fruits and vegetables are loaded with vitamins, anti-oxidants and the list goes on. Even simple things like walnuts are very healthy. You’d have to eat multiple fruits and vegetables every single day (with variety) to make sure you get all the proper nutrients.
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Besides potatoes, I never cook any foods (only slightly warm certain vegetables, not too much or you lose lots of the nutritients). Been doing it for a long time, works great and saves a lot of time.
I’m not sure what you’re saying. I wasn’t saying anything for or against any particular type of eating habit, just that Diabeetus’ statement that meat was the mainstay of our diet was false. As far as I have been taught by my professors (I don’t yet have a degree or anything) this is a fact. If you thought that I was somehow mocking vegetarianism or defending some kind of strictly carnivorous diet, I wasn’t, although I still don’t see how you could derive that from my post.
Edit: What I was trying to do with the “2.5 million” thing was to point out how much longer we had been eating mostly fruits, nuts, and vegetables, along with some meats than the grains that agriculture had so relatively recently brought to the table, excuse the pun
Thanks for the correction ThatOneGuy, have you ever read anything from Mark Sisson regarding natural human diet? https://www.marksdailyapple.com/
No problem. And no, I haven’t read much of anything relating to diets; I myself am a bit overweight and out of shape. That’s why I want to stress again that I wasn’t making a statement about any type of eating habit, except for maybe my comments about how eating grain exclusively is not good enough for the human body, but I would think that is common sense.
And thanks for the link, but I’m afraid I don’t have enough self-restraint (or lack of skepticism, to be honest) to try one of those radical weight-loss/health diets.
Not really a weight loss diet, but ok.
Aren’t you afraid of getting worms or salmonellosis?
I don’t the human race will die we’ll just end up like combine advisors.
I don’t understand why so much is being made about nutrition in this thread. There is a correlation between nations’ dietary habits and average life expectancy, but it’s overwhelmingly going in the opposite direction. By which I mean that it’s generally not an overabundance of unhealthy foods that kills societies, it’s underabundance of any food.
GE/GM food are directly responsible for approximately zero deaths a year (and I challenge ANYONE to present me with a peer-reviewed study to the contrary.) There are environmental impacts, especially in India, but these are due to bad implementation, not a bad product.
The problem of food is one of needing more, not less, and even if many people are clogging their arteries on garbage, the negative effects of diabetes and heart disease are negligible when compared to the amount of lives saved every year by modified foods and modern agriculture. I don’t buy into ridiculous scare tactics and junk science surrounding this subject at all. Some people are just fucking afraid of science and want to return to some pre-industrial agrarian “utopia.” Sadly, this view is pervasive in some corners of academia, and doesn’t seem to get the scrutiny it deserves.
All that said, I do have some major problems with big agri-business, but overall things are much better than they’ve ever been, nutritionwise.
I’m not sure but baking or frying or whatever doesn’t make food lose any nutrients does it?
^no one is arguing for any of what you said
Generally, no, not much anyway. And even if it did, the amount and quality of food available to people in developed countries is waaay more than enough to give us all the nutrients we need and then some.
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