Evolution vs Creation

The thing, though, is that there really aren’t any ‘original authors’ of the Bible. Rather, it’s a collection of religious texts by literally dozens of separate authors, with the latest being penned around roughly 300 AD. That’s why contradictions are so common, especially in the Old Testament, as many of the books (Genesis especially) were agglomerations of several separate works. It’s also why we also have a wide body of literature called the Apocrypha (most famously the Dead Sea Scrolls), which is a catch-all term for various Jewish/Early-Christian texts that did not make it into the ‘final cut’ when the Bible, as it stands today, was organized by Constantine.

IMHO, it’s actually quite interesting if one looks at it from a historical and cultural perspective.

Why is that funny? I didn’t say there was evidence of creationism. I think there is value to teaching some of the topics of the christian bible, but in a theological sense. In the same vein as learning about Greek mythology, or Egyptian mythology. Just because it’s not your belief, doesn’t mean the knowledge is useless to you.

I agree with that. The contents of the holy scriptures of all major religions should be taught in school, under the premise of approaching them as pieces of mythology.

@Soup (concerning the whole universe debate a couple pages back): The assumptions that I was making were based on the idea that the universe continues infinitely and linearly in all directions, and that its contents were expanding outwards due to the propulsion from the original Big Bang.

What Danielsangeo and Burbinator are arguing is what I’ve heard called the “raisin cake model” of the universe. Namely, if you whip up a cake batter with raisins in it and put it in the oven, then the raisins will move away from each other and expand outward from their original positions. The raisin cake is, in this case, everything, and the raisins are galaxies, planets, whatever. They expand because the medium they’re in is expanding. There is nothing outside the raisin cake. In fact, “nothing” isn’t a strong enough word; there is only the raisin cake.

There’s a lot of evidence behind this theory, and it makes a lot of really interesting observations about the possible nature of gravity and space. I was first introduced to a lot of it when I read the wikipedia page on black holes a couple years back.

I still don’t believe in the breathing universe, though. What you have to realize is that the methods I described that were used to disprove it might sound illegitimate when I summarize them, but that’s because I’m recalling the basic outline of them from a class I took a year ago now. The guy doing the lecturing and proving, on the other hand, was an astrophysicist at an accredited university.

I had my only personal miracle, which I won’t describe in detail. Basically my life was going to shit, and a very simple event - a rose blooming, as a matter of fact - made me feel as though I had been reached out to. It was enough to keep me from cutting myself, which is where I was headed, and picked me back up and allowed me to forgive the people responsible, one of whom has become a really good friend of mine.

I’m not an irrational person, and I’ve never been easily swayed towards illogical thought. I am well aware that it’s human nature to become vulnerable to religion and the idea of a higher power in difficult times (in fact, I used it as an argument for atheism beforehand). But what I felt was enough to convince me, and if you ever feel it, I expect it will be enough to convince you, too.

Which is fine. But even he doesn’t know how much there is in the universe. No one does. Not me. Not you. Not the lecturer. Not Stephen Hawking. No one. No one can say for sure that the “breathing universe” hypothesis is bunk. Nor can anyone say for sure that it’s the true model. It’s a hypothesis. Plain and simple.

That’s the common “epiphany” that everyone has and it is only religious to already-religious people. Whether it’s a rose blooming (a wholly natural event that would’ve happened if you committed suicide or not; but I’m glad you didn’t), a child laughing…a rainbow.

My own personal “epiphany” came about when I was watching the Pope on TV (oddly enough)…the previous one, not our current one. He was sitting in his highbacked throne, hunched over reciting something from a sheet of paper, and he was shaking uncontrollably. It was his Parkinson’s.

And that is when I looked at the Pope, not as a clergyman of high stature…but as a 5’10" tall “ape”-descendant wearing fabric around his body…just like the gaggle that had gathered…just like me…and he, an animal just like millions of others, was suffering from a disease. It really cemented my wavering atheism.

The Passion of the Christ movie also helped my atheism because it showed that Jesus (if he existed) was just a human being with strong beliefs that he was unwilling to give up even if it meant being tortured to death, but I won’t get into that here.

We are animals, living on a rock flying around a nuclear furnace…just like billions of other rocks around billions of other nuclear furnaces. And it made me happy.

It was a wake-up call to me…and it all happened in less than 1 second. I actually did a Neo-style “Whoa.” :retard:

I found it funny because I assumed you thought that scientific gaps should be filled up by “theories” about unicorns and ponies just because science doesn’t have a readily available answer.
The Bible, or any other religious scripture for that matter, has no real answers. So teaching it in science class as an alternative theory to evolution is just down right retarded to me.
But in a mythology class, sure. Why the hell not? I mean, “myth” is part of the class name. It might piss off a few people that beLIEve in that shit, but whatever.

No, I simply acknowledge the fossil record is incomplete. It’s to be expected though. Surviving remains amongst humans from recent pre-ritualized burial is difficult to complete. The origins of humanity is much older, and thus remains are even more sparse.

You also said:

And thus, I lol’d.

I meant the second part of the argument, or the counter argument to the theory of human evolution. ‘Creationism’, not ‘creation’. Bit of pedant moment.

Don’t forget that the Bible is also extremely important in terms of literature. Annoyingly.

Of course it is - it’s the bloodiest book with the most brutal content available to minors all around the world for more than just hundred years, and yet video games are blamed for people running amok.

the bible doesnt teach you to pull a pedestrain out a car, t*at him and then nick his car, before revesering over said pedestrain just to make sure he doesnt call the pigs :stuck_out_tongue:

sigh

Shall I really counter that mindless post with examples what things the bible actually teaches?

Oh, please. Let me! :slight_smile:

The Bible teaches that it’s proper, good, and just to kill all the firstborn male children in a population as punishment for what its leader does.

…should someone tell Codgin that the video game in question is for entertainment purposes only and not a teaching tool, while the Bible is supposed to be a guidebook on how to be a good person and get into Heaven?

DansonDelta40: When you post such things, they’ll usually fall upon the old “But that’s Old Testament!” canard…as if the first five books of the Bible should be ignored…until it’s the word of God again, of course.

Convenient, eh?

It’s like a moral pick and mix. Joy!

Has anyone ever heard of Edward Current?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgjGpPLCFhE

He is the kind of christian I absolutely hate :hmph:

After watching it to the end… is he even serious? He’s a comedian, right?

If you’re talking about Edward Current…
he’s a parody.

Cup o Joe, on the other hand, is alllllllllllllllllllllll real.

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