Evolution vs Creation

#1121

We’re being somewhat pedantic now. Call it part of culture. Its the same as calling it a tool. Yes, it is that. But this particular aspect of the culture went on to become the basis of a massive establishment changed the course of history as stated above.

Not to mention divine right is far more than just an acceptance of custom. Its an undebatable justification. Religion is truly like nothing else in the world, and you keep trying to pass it off as some philosophy that is there one day then gone another.

#1122

No, I’m not. I’m trying to pass it off as an inextricable part of society and history that won’t go away overnight, and has a huge impact on society and history. Just like art. That doesn’t mean it’s the foundation for it.

#1123

I wouldn’t exactly call it pedantry, it’s more like trying to find words that carry all of the correct connotations for what is being described. I’d go with rummagistics, to be more precise.

#1124

As much as I’d like to agree with Burb and Daniel, I can’t. I mean hell, look at the bible. We wouldn’t have literature today if it wasn’t for that piece of shit.

#1125

lol, yes we would

#1126

Religion is powerfull indeed. But it has destroyed more things than it has made. Much Knowledge is lost because of the religion. But still I’m not sure how would it affect the history. Hell, maybe the Great United Aztec Empire would have come and conquered all of the Europe and Asia. You can’t deny the importance of the religion in society.

#1127

A word you seem to have just made up.

#1128

I’m not even going to dignify that with a proper answer.

#1129

What? There was literature before the Bible, why the hell would there be no literature without it?

#1130

I mean Literature, not the written word.

#1131

So do I.

#1132

I’m guessing you’re talking about Ancient Greece.

#1133

Clean your pots and pans once in a while.

…oh, ancient GREECE.

But, yes, there was literature before the Bible.

#1134

Yes, and I’m sure there are other examples as well.
And even if there wasn’t any literature before the Bible, why would that mean there would never have been any at all? That’s like saying if Obama hadn’t been elected president, there would never have been a black president.

#1135

He is the first black president though, just like the Bible is the reason literature is the way it is today. I don’t like it, but it’s true.

#1136

He might be the first, but, if he wasn’t the first, someone else would be some time in the future.

#1137

I’m not denying that the Bible has had and still has a profound influence on literature in general, but not on all literature, and it’s certainly not the reason for the existence of literature.

#1138

Just because literature might be pretty different without The Bible in some ways (which is pretty difficult to prove and probably isn’t even very true) doesn’t mean it’d be worse without it. Who knows, maybe literature would have been better without the bible. Perhaps it’d be better without religion at all, science certainly would be a lot further on if it hadn’t been restricted by religion in the earlier centuries.

#1139

I would make a rebuttal, but I know how fruitless it is with you guys, whether I’m atheist or not.

#1140

I will note at this point that the beginnings of European literature were largely based around religion (i.e. Canterbury Tales, Dante’s Inferno, humanist writings, etc.). We really cannot know how it would have ended up, and its 50/50 good or bad, just like everything else here if we remove religion. It really is a meaningless and baseless argument to say otherwise, because we can never know.

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