As stupid as these threads are, I do feel compelled to ask why every time they DO come up, it’s always assumed “religious” people are all the extremists with insane obsessions over the Bible and a superiority complex.
I will admit, though, there are plenty of Christians out there who are like that… and it drives me nuts.
Being an insane religious Zealot who cracks down on every punctuation mark in the bible and being a religious person who wants peace and believes in a higher being are two entirely different things imo.
Imo the Bible is a great fiction book for kids, like the really old fairy tales that all have a meaning/morale in the end you know?
It has some valid essential values that people should all think about, and maybe try and follow or use them to teach their kids about right/wrong and whatnot, but the way people nowadays follow everything Jesus supposedly said as a freaking life law is ridiculous.
I’m an atheist. By no means I believe that Jesus was a messiah, or that he actually existed for that matter. In my mind, he’s just a fictional character created to teach people about values, much like Disney’s characters, and later used by the Catholic church (and nowadays by any person with half a brain) to manipulate the people’s actions/ambitions/thoughts, by spreading their own twisted radical interpretation of an old book.
Not really, the bible is comfort for people, mans biggest fear is death, the great unknown, and so people see hope from the bible. And if y’all wanted to get mega philosphical, who’s to say their isn’t some truth in it, look at life? Isn’t it really weird? How can you really explain why we’re here? Or what life actually is? What happens when you die? Does everything just go black? How is it we all have our own minds? Our own little worlds? Basically life is a fantasy so who can really say whats true and whats not
Anyway this is going way off what this topic was orignally about… Faith Healers
I do believe in God but others’ religious beliefs don’t bother me as long as they’re not trying to convert me. Basically if they don’t bother me I won’t bother me. The many different religions have as much a chance as any other, including Christianity, of being true so it bugs me when people try to convert others to the “True Faith”. Muslim? Fine. Buddhist? Fine. Hindu? Fine.
For all we know there could be no God or it could be something totally beyond the scope of our mind to conceive. Guess we’ll have to wait until we die to find out.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn’t intend for this thread to be one big anti-religious orgy of godless rage. I literally wanted a discussion about Eucharistic miracles where someone gave me something that actually was evidence.
To all those people that were saying this is a pointless thread and that there were millions like it, read the OP, I obviously didn’t intend for it to go down this path.
Exactly. In the end, your beliefs are your beliefs, and if you’re happy with them, keep them.
This being said, my comment on your initial quote was pointed more towards the people who start threads like this and then, when people challenge them, whine about how somebody is “pushing beliefs upon them.”
If you start a debate, you’d best be ready to hear opposing points of view.
Gwgmer, did you even the OP? The whole thing started when someone, unprovoked, pushed their beliefs on me and then I asked other to challenge me. Reading’s fun, you should try it.
A thread like this will almost always derail into a religous vs atheist hoedown, because of the fact that, people who are religious are most likely religious since they were young, and atheist just hated church when they were young. It’s a mere question of mental conditioning I guess.
Now, to the actual topic.
If they say evidence can be found on youtube, then they share a train with the consipiracy nutcases that say youtube slideshows with techno music in the background are actual information.
Believe me, the day a respected scientist actually determines that there is a invisible force that appears only when asked mentally by people who believe in it, I’ll go to confess myself for three days.
Besides, sometimes a miracle will just be confused by mere luck.
On the topic, youtube isn’t the best place for proof. Anything can be put up, it can’t be validated, could be shopped, etc.
Not really sure why you need a proof for that, seems like common sense to me. The mind can conjure up pretty much anything that you want to think is in fact there. If you believe hard enough there is a rabbit on your desk and you picture a rabbit there, you can trick yourself into thinking there is a rabbit.
Considering that, it would make sense why God only “appears” to people who believe in him, because they think they are.
Note: I’m not an atheist, so anything coming across as atheist in that explanation isn’t what I actually think, just one way of looking at it.
There’s also the fact that currently, and probably never, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. At the same time, there is also nothing religious that gives enough “proof” for a non-believer to take it as a solid, proven fact. Because neither can be proven or disproven using the other, neither side can ever win. You could also just say they are both right.
@Sassy: I didn’t mention soup, and it wasn’t aimed at Soup.
I’ll try to be diplomatic about this, but my point is that you’re taking other people’s beliefs and making it your own personal crusade to prove those people’s beliefs wrong. To me, that’s being a douchebag about it. I’m sorry the place I go on Sundays to talk to my imaginary friend makes you so angry.
What is really happening is most likely so… can’t even think of the word. Like none of the religions are all right. They could all be completely wrong and it could be something that could never be thought up.
And that’s why it’s tricky. It may be very well another human invention that can’t be disproven, like unicorns. OR it may be a metaphor for something for something “greater”. Considering people are usually stupid enough to actually believe this stuff literally… Well, not stupid, just rather “not actually looking into it” way of being. I currently believe the whole Jesus thing is just another allegory for something a lot more deeper. It’s probably that way (at least the way I see it). Or, sure, God may be actually real, and his ways are far more superior than ours.
Aside from that there is also the fact that a philosophical entity can’t be disproven by something other than opposing philosophy. From there we come back again to the beginning, can God be disproven scientifically? Or be proven the same way?
From my standpoint I’d have to say no. Simply because of the fact that God is more of a concept than a fact.
You do realize there is a difference between individual perception, and reality right?
Just because the mind can be influenced to believe that rabbit is on my desk, doesn’t mean I can make hare stew with it and feed people with it.
Just because I can trick my mind into believing god is there doesn’t mean he is going to bring my dead family back to life. Maybe I will they they are alive, but they sure as shit are still dead.
I do hope you aren’t arguing that self delusion is the path people should look to.
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