Posing dosen’t mean a whole lot - but hey, have fun with that. And who is we? Is there a gerbil hidden up your ass?
Where is this study? It’s not even named, I could say “a recent study from University of Michigan’s medical department suggests Note-anator is a retard.” and it holds just as much water.
This is equally, if not more credible.
And fertility wasn’t even the main thing you were arguing, cognitive ability was.
True.
Ok, I will try and dig for some “credible” evidence. I suppose a NEW study (Meaning preliminary findings usually) from the university at Buffalo (Where a lot of studies ARE done - meaning Universities in general) really is not a completed source. (As in, more data is required, to confirm from a seperate and independant group).
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Let me look through what you have here -
"There is obviously a very delicately sensitive window of sensitivity of all cells to cannabis/marijuana. The presumed active dose of THC in the body is about 2.0 mg. total. And more than that, will produce a high with panic attacks, Nystagmus, dry heaves and in effect, drunkenness. These authors seem to have found that a little THC (or an Anandamide) will cause excitation and motility of the sperm but a larger amount will cause the sperm motility to “burn out”. Maybe this is like the euphoric high of both an Anandamide and THC.
I have interviewed about 5,000 medical marijuana patients and I have never heard anyone, male or female, question or suggest male infertility. In fact, many seem to indicate that it increases or promotes libido. I will admit only a slight connection between libido and fertility, but there seems to be a connection.
I will be waiting for someone to straighten out my thinking and remarks."
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Fancy, so your take is that the report from Buffalo is on par with this because the first one Has NOT, as of yet, been peer reviewed? Ok… I will keep digging. Neither has this guys as is obvious with the terms “Seems” that is peppered though out.
Yes, the original arguement that I presented did have to do with Cognative ability, but there were also general comments about the potential long haul effects of weed. Certainly not eveyone who smokes weed is going to be brain dead - I did not say that, or at least, I certainly should have been careful not to imply that.
Also, some are more effected due to all sorts of reasons, more so than others - so, let’s see what we can find just the same.
(Actually, I am glad we are having this chat, becuase It will be good to know what IS there, and not just parroting a few reports from the media - Which, in humility, I am likely more so guilty of doing.)
Fat L’s to the face.
The one “long haul effect” you can think of you can’t find credible proof for. Marijuana just plain does not have severe long term effects, unless you count harming your lungs which isn’t specific to marijuana, inhaling ANY smoke regularly will do that. But marijuana smoke isn’t as harsh and thc has cancer killing properties, so even that isn’t a huge risk.
Just about every single effect of marijuana only lasts as long or a little bit after you’re high. I would say EVERY effect, but I’m not 100% on that.
Fancy;
I am so glad we are chatting about this (I am being sincere - this is interesting.)
according to this one link - With studies sited, DOES show some interesting potential issues here -
It seems to be more so in conjunction with genes -
Here is the link
https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/4109360.stm
I am glad there is both initial, and counters - it helps a lot
“The team found that in people with two copies of the “normal” version of COMT, smoking cannabis had little effect on their mental health. In people with one normal and one “bad” form of the gene, smoking cannabis slightly increased their risk of psychosis. But for people with two copies of the bad gene, smoking cannabis as a teenager increased their likelihood of developing psychosis by a factor of 10. According to Professor Murray, 25% of the UK population carry two ‘bad’ copies of the COMT gene”
The other interesting thing is with this, is the whole bit on self-medicating - That is huge to this issue I think. It is kind of like this one dude who thought he was a sex addict - he could not say no - even in a very risky situtation - (It was mentioned in the book Driven to Distration) Turns out the guy was ADD and used orgasm as a means of self-medication. Once he was on meds, his issue clear up. Have heard that about certain blood sugar issues and booze as well, but that is here or there - the interesting part is, that people WILL self medicate.
Also, from a tid bit on a different page, part of the problem why it is hard to find credible evidence for it being harmful long haul (Or not) is that the US Governent will not allow the study, because it is an illegal drug. Something about not allowing the test subjects to be stoned out of thier tree or something…
That sort of gene mutation seems extremely unlikely.
Then why are there so many studies that disprove harms?
That is a good question Fancy…
From the Study -
“But for people with two copies of the bad gene, smoking cannabis as a teenager increased their likelihood of developing psychosis by a factor of 10. According to Professor Murray, 25% of the UK population carry two ‘bad’ copies of the COMT gene”
25% of the UK. Here again we have an issue, because various people (as in nations) have various gene pools (Pardon for stating the obvious)
I am not too sure, maybe someone else could yeah or nay this, but many of the genes we carry in our DNA are repeating, or “Junk” as it is called (Which I do not like - How can we be sure it is actually junk?) It may well have to do with the placement in the DNA/RNA strand? (Sometimes order does matter - also, which chromosomes - that certainly is a factor)
Not too sure, but not all genes play a vital role - It may well be that it takes hightened levels (Extreme for some, and less for others as every one has different sensitivities to various agents - ) of THC to cause an issue?
This is interesting just the same.
As to there being many studies, it is hard to say. Perhaps new methods and break throughs in medicine? Could be that the study was looking for the wrong thing? It is a good question and just because a person finds one or more studies that say (blank), it certianly does not mean it is the last word. - Even with this, it is only one bit of puzzle. It is interesting to check the dates on the studies conducted as well. Something from the 80s may well be out dated in terms of available medical info.
Regardless, this is a captivating subject. I have to admit Fancy, I had some assumptions where I was merely repeating what varous media had said - some of which, has been found to be wrong. So, it will be interesting to see what we can find here.
My only gripe with most potheads is that they can’t shut up about how cool smoking weed is.
But that goes for a lot of things:
- Fagfags that can’t stop talking about how great homosexuality is.
- Straightfags that can’t stop showing off their macho-body and how slick they are.
- Macfags that can’t shut up about how shit Windows is.
- PCfags that can’t shut up about how shit Mac is.
- Linuxfags that can’t shut up about how shit Windows and Mac are.
- Christianfags that can’t shut up about how great the lord is.
- Muslimfags that can’t stop yelling jihad.
- Conspiracyfagsthat can’t stop talking about… conspiracies.
- Alienfags that can’t shut up about how an alien touched their ass (though I believe that they all have traumas involving their dad, a teddybear, 3 liters of sour cream and a quarter pound of chocolate chip cookies).
sometimes i dream about cheese…
LMAO
Glad I wasn’t drinking coffee
https://ncpic.org.au/ncpic/publications/factsheets/article/cannabis-and-mental-health
This is also interesting -
Not hacking any females by posting this - as a general well known fact in Psyche circles, Women are twice as likely to experience depression than are men, while men are twice as likely to be hooked on an addictive substance than are women. I find it interesting that if what this says it true, it would increase the likelyhood of females experiencing depression later in life. Just sayin’
“Cannabis may seem to help ease depression before the effects of the drug wear off; however after that, smoking cannabis may make depression worse. Those who use cannabis have been shown to have higher levels of depression and depressive symptoms than those who do not use cannabis. Although results are mixed, there is a substantial amount of evidence to suggest that cannabis use, particularly frequent or heavy use, predicts depression later in life. Young women appear to be more likely to experience this effect.”
I wish there was no misinformation in the world. It would be so much better.
Yeah…
But then, I would have a whole lot more to re-learn… Just sayin.
This. A thousand times this. I have no interest in smoking pot. I don’t care if it has positive or negative effects, it just really doesn’t appeal to me. But I find it incredibly annoying when all of you pothead fuckstains go around everyday on the forums saying you’re blazed out of your fucking skull and how fucking awesome you are for doing so.
I hate threads that I don’t understand.
The last few pages of posts were not one-sentence long.
Where do you get the idea that everyone who does weed goes on about it constantly? Surely you wouldn’t notice the ones that don’t?
I haven’t mentioned weed any more on this forum than I would hot dogs when I’m hungry, tbh.
I wasn’t referring to you. When I said “all of you” I was referring to eternalness and (to a certain extent) sersoft who go on and on about how they’re baked constantly. It just grinds on my nerves. I don’t care that they smoke, it just gets really fucking old that they go on and on about it.
Everything in the universe is more or less a machine; inherent delusion makes humans think otherwise.
“All of you” kind of implies “all of you,” so I assumed you meant all of us.