Charity, yay or nay?

[JohnKiller118]

@DansonDelta40

@Johnkiller:

Your facepalm may be inappropriate here. There is an actual disorder called Trypanophobia or, simply put, “needle phobia”, which cannot be helped and is supposedly an inheritable genetic trait. My ex fiance suffers from that, too.

I once went donating blood, and caught an infection in the process, leaving me suffering from severe diarrhoea for two days. I was at the brink of lethal dehydration when it finally stopped. That was the first and last time I ever went donating blood.

Well, that was… informative. :FFFUUU:
It just seemed like he was looking for any excuse to not help people.

Whatever, Bolteh’s still an ass.
And to think he was the one who accused Americans of being assholes in the “Ask an American” thread. It’s so ironic that it’s almost sad.

[Bolteh]

@JohnKiller118

It’s so ironic that it’s almost sad.

I’m surprised you even know the meaning of “irony” if you use that thread as an argument.

edit FFFFFFFFUUU, I was typing a lengthy reply to Burbinator’s post, but then Firefox crashed.

Anyway, recap:

• Well, fair trade is charity then. I just see it as buying products I prefer over expensive brands. I’m not going to stop buying it just because I dislike charity.
• Most of Africa’s problems are because of their own institutions, governments and people
• The west may have jumpstarted it, but those countries rebelled and they wanted freedom. Well they can have their freedom, too bad they’re not doing anything with it and still expect help from the west.
• Africa’s always been centuries behind on the west. Even before the west started exploring the continent.
• No, I should not pay for King Leopold the Third’s slaughter of the Congolese people. Just like you shouldn’t go to prison for a murder your cousin committed. Just like you shouldn’t go to prison because your uncle is a scammer.

[Soup]

So you think an entire continent should pay because of the actions of other countries and corrupt leaders of their own countries?

[Bolteh]

No, I’m saying that it’s pointless in trying to get them going while their leaders and institutions stop them from moving on.

[danielsangeo]

Bolteh: Don’t you think that BOTH are necessary? Get their leaders and institutions AND charity to help those hurt by theirs and other’s countries? Or should we not do ANYTHING to help the victims while this crap is in place?

[Bolteh]

Well yes, both are necessary. Their leaders and institutions -should- help their people. problem is: they simply don’t and won’t. And while charity may make the lives of the people there slightly more bearable, it’s still pointless in the effort of getting Africa out of the pile of shit it’s buried in and back on the road of evolution.

And yes, I may be a bad person for not caring about those people enough to support them without a specific set goal, but the moment the red light turns green and everything is set for a straight line to a proper future with no hindrance, then I may just become supportive of charities with such goals. But until that day, I don’t see the use of supporting something that can’t develop.

[Soup]

You obviously wouldn’t become supportive, judging by everything else you’ve said.

[Bolteh]

Well probably not, but I wouldn’t think of them as useless and pointless anymore.

Buy ye, you’re right, my complete lack of care for someone I don’t know comes into play as well.

[danielsangeo]

That’s okay, Bolteh. When you’re in dire need for assistance, there’s someone out there that’ll want to help you even if they don’t know you. They offer you more courtesy and maturity than you offer them. They’re pretty stupid, huh?

And with that, I’m done with this this thread.

[Bolteh]

@danielsangeo

That’s okay, Bolteh. When you’re in dire need for assistance, there’s someone out there that’ll want to help you even if they don’t know you. They offer you more courtesy and maturity than you offer them. They’re pretty stupid, huh?

And with that, I’m done with this this thread.

And there will also be people that will laugh at me and do nothing to help me (SassyRobot comes to mind). So what’s your point? Maturity has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, I participated in more charities when I was a kid (granted, forced by schools) than now.

There are people that care and there are people that don’t.

[bur]

@Bolteh

• Most of Africa’s problems are because of their own institutions, governments and people

Most of those institutions and governments were set up by the west. The people have been suppressed and kept dumb by their corrupt governments and by the Catholic church.
Corrupt leaders instated by the CIA come to mind as an example of shit that still goes on today.

@Bolteh

• The west may have jumpstarted it, but those countries rebelled and they wanted freedom. Well they can have their freedom, too bad they’re not doing anything with it and still expect help from the west.

No. They were stripped of resources and all their independence and existing institutions were destroyed. The west then just abandoned them, when they had practically nothing left.

If some rich dude with a gun went out on the streets and robbed a random middle class person and then beat the shit out of him and left him lying on the floor, possibly with a friend of the rich dude watching over him so he can’t help himself, that would be about the same.

@Bolteh

• Africa’s always been centuries behind on the west. Even before the west started exploring the continent.

That’s not true. There were rich cultures there before the west started pillaging the continent. The Egyptian culture comes to mind as an example. There’s more, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
And even if it were true, does that justify all the suffering caused to them?

@Bolteh

• No, I should not pay for King Leopold the Third’s slaughter of the Congolese people. Just like you shouldn’t go to prison for a murder your cousin committed. Just like you shouldn’t go to prison because your uncle is a scammer.

Yes, we should. Those people are still in dire straits because of things that happened a hundred years ago, just like we are still benefiting from the same events.
They’re suffering so we can have the wealth we have.

[JohnKiller118]

@:retard:

I’m surprised you even know the meaning of “irony” if you use that thread as an argument.

@:retard:

Well, it’s thanks to people like me that the rest of the sane universe has these negative views about the human race.

“Charity sux!!”, “because that XX number of bad people are stealing and other bad shit in the destroyed country we should deny the entire country aid”, “it’s because of charity that 00 good thing things happen… even though that isn’t true… but fuk you im so awsum”, “Charity suxs!”, “I have a massive e-penis, I’m the best”, “I’m glad I don’t live in a shit cuntry that needs help, go help urselves!”, “Charity suxs!”, “duuurrrrrrrrrrrrr!”, “derp”

fix’d
:retard:

[noonem]

Boosts my likeability.

[Brother_Shrike]

I just spent a week in Texas cleaning up after Ike and I have to say, it was the most meaningful thing I’ve ever done. Doing charity just… cough … feels good man.

[papernick]

@Bolteh

Well probably not, but I wouldn’t think of them as useless and pointless anymore.

The thing that shocks me the most about your posts is that you brand some people’s lives as ‘useless’ and ‘pointless’ just because YOU think they live without purpose. Who are you to say which life is or isn’t useful?

Also:

@Bolteh

Abuse is only a small fraction of what ChildLine does. Most of the other things are subjects I used to talk to my parents about. But ye, the abuse. Great, they talked to someone about how they got/get abused. ChildLine enlists someone to come and take the kid away from his family so he doesn’t get abused anymore. And what does it matter? Nothing at all. The kid still got mental/physical scars, damage has been done and can’t be undone. When a child gets abused, it’s already too late to help.

Would you prefer to be as far away as possible from the person who abuses you, or to keep getting abused?