Black Mesa 2009 Update

“… therefore improvement can only come from inside opinions.”

How would the Black Mesa Team benefit from critical comments like yours exactly?
If your comments were actually taken into consideration, and the team could improve the game from your comments, you would be welcomed. The fact that you are the only person on the BMS forum stressing negative feedback to hardworking people indicates that you are just here to cause trouble. Nothing you have said can help the team in any way except release the game sooner which could result in diminished features/expectations, quality etc.

I agree to an extent that the mod is not classified as “free” due to the cost of buying the foundation game Half Life 2. Yet, the additional mod BMS is a more of a new game then it is a mod, as you said yourself, “BMS needs to be treated like a retail game remake” therefore it categorises itself into the Half Life 2 gaming industry, and because of the cost to make a professional game, like BMS, and sell it on its own for nothing except download bandwidth, it is classified as “free”, because you get the same quality as valve for free. Any Half-Life mod released by valve would cost money.

This is just my opinion in regard to your comments that you have so openly made.

By the way, what is a “snausage”?

Someone who says they no longer have anything to look forward to this holiday season needs to get off the internet and go outside, make a friend, maybe two. Or at least revisit some family members. So yeah, I skipped everything J-Dude said after that, because he lost all credibility at that point.

They committed to that date because it was a way to motivate themselves to crack down and get the mod going, and they must’ve honestly thought they could release by the end of this year. Had they not done this, they probably wouldn’t have made nearly as much progress.

Well, I imagine it started out as an idea that seemed possible. In addition, they wanted to energize and get the fans jazzed that the end is near. Without the date, fans be under-jazzed.

Now some would argue that the delay has just pissed fans off, but lets look at some facts:

BMS is once again on the front pages of all the fan sites.
The forums are buzzing with new members, be it good things to say or bad.

The fact also remains that J-Dude and everyone else will STILL download this mod. I can assure you that. Even if they say they wont on the forums (which J-Dude did NOT say), that’s a lie. No one would pass up a free download this awesome, assuming it is awesome which I am.

It’s like a Steak Oskar. Yes, it takes longer, but people come for the steak and stay for the Holindaise-crab sauce.

Everyone should go Malcolm Tucker at someone at least once a day. Christ on a bendy bus!

im gonna go make some pizza

Humm… I seem to recall you making the [completely unfounded inaccurate] argument that the BM devs want to be thought of as a game development firm. So, I have some advice for you…

  1. STOP BEING A DOUCHE
  2. Go cry (that’s all your extended diarrhea posts are) elsewhere
  3. Stop living

You’d be surprised how many people reach number 3 before 1. You must be destined to become one of those sorry sacks of life.

Edit: The 2009 at the end of the trailer definitely wasn’t a solid release date, more of a… goal. A goal that went unmet. Give them some leeway jeez! This is a massive project. If they don’t come out with another release date (which I hope they don’t), I’d assume as much as to give them about another 3 months before its a real big deal (which to me it won’t be, so long as it does come out eventually).

You guys,
knowing the mods and these forums, did any single one of you thought that this might be a joke and that the mod is going to be released tomorrow? As you have noticed this tread has gone from “oh well we want a polished product” to a raging inferno.I’m just saying this might be the devs flaming us.

well we will find out tomorrow anyway (or soon)

I don’t think he came purely to cause trouble. I think he thought he could put some sort of pressure on the BMS team to make some sort of move towards release. He did say “Your move, BMS staff” as if they were supposed to act upon his issues regarding the missed date.

He also could have been looking for some moral support. He is awfully bent out of shape.

Why would it be released tomorrow and not another day?

I keep the tea towel with me at all times.

I want to see the first level ;(

I have indeed seen The Thick Of It… outstanding and (almost) painful satire is outstanding and (almost) painful!!! :smiley: I personally had a need to fire my 12-bore and J-Dud just happened to be standing where I was aiming (in my dreams!)

I’m thinking really hard about it… not quite sure how you’re managing to circumvent CMan2K’s fairly terminal “we’re not going to be releasing in 2009, sorry”… do tell! (because your borderline smuggery is starting to wear thin :smiley: )

Nothing better for breakfast the morning after the night before :3

Show me any company ANYWHERE that has never missed a deadline and I’ll show you a company that doesn’t take risks, never tries to push the boundaries and has no external forces acting on it at all… ever.

I personally think that they did absolutely the right thing in giving themselves a deadline; reading between the lines in Carlos’ post (and to be fair, you really don’t have to read that hard) they’re not far from the finish line now. Sometimes when you’ve been trudging away at something for 6 years, you need a bit of adrenaline and a metaphorical cosh to get you to hurry up & finish. To accept “yes, that’s good enough”. To realise that perfection, whilst a laudable goal, ain’t going to get the objective achieved.

So they missed the arbitrary deadline that they set for themselves, hoping to be able to achieve it, but if nothing else motivating them to push to the finish. It’s not like babies are being born in corridors, police force numbers are being reduced, public transport is self-destructing on impact with spikes or the 2012 Olympics is going to be held on the playing fields of Stratford C of E comprehensive school as a result of this mod missing its (self imposed and arbitrary) deadline. (Those are the sole responsibility of the British Government being a bunch of feckless twats)[/size]

So a few tens of “fans” are feeling personally slighted by the devs team’s “personal and deep betrayal, causing me to be incontinent and not a little peeved”. Get. The. Fuck. Over. It.

Oh, and TheKeeper, I appreciate that you were merely trying to feed the troll, but still… :wink:

[edit] crap ninja’d about eleventy billion times!!

[edit] Mu6o, I’m sure the devs would like to see the heads of all those who ask for a demo/the first level/blahblahatombomb on a spike, however, we can’t always get what we want.

J-Dude: Garcian already made everything you said invalid. You can stop trying.

Dispite of all the criticism you get, mostly from J-Dude, I think that you, the devs and mods, are doing a great job with this mod. :slight_smile: I just hope that the game is going to be as good as it can possibly be no matter how long it takes for it to come out. Though a media release would be a good idea.:3
Ty for making this mod :wink:

Long live :bms:!

Lol, where the hell did you get those numbers?

hear hear!

Well, as to WHY I’ve bothered posting, I’ll admit it’s more of an impulsive move on my part. It wasn’t a pleasant thing to wake up to this morning, and I looked forward to the catharsis of hundreds of understanding, outraged fans, because I can tell you blowing off THIS kind of steam takes some exhausting work. Whenever I get REALLY pissed off, I build up energy that, no-nonsense DEMANDS some form of tiring action.

However, being reasonably intelligent, I’m not one to vent my anger by simply typing in caps, misspelling things and adding exclamations to everything. No, my angry posts come in the form of Yahtzee reviews, in which I type while envisioning good ol’ Ben Croshaw’s cynical, condescending voice oozing into my ear.

I’ll admit, I was disappointed to see the supposed “worst forum in modding” with so many patient, understanding individuals, not to mention intelligent ones. But I wasn’t about to miss the off chance that other such disappointed fans like myself might gather to rally and rid ourselves of rage until the eventual release.

I have to admit, the thought had crossed my mind for a brief moment when I first read Cman2k’s post… But then I realized that the dev team has absolutely nothing at all to gain by doing so.

We should create a rage spam topic until its released.

That’s pretty much this thread right here.

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