Glad you finally see it our way, for a minute there I thought you would still be stubborn and try and argue some more.
Are we even getting Soldier zombies? I thought it was just going to be Science Guy and Barney zombies.
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But yeah, Raminator indirectly confirmed in a thread somwhere, that there would be soldier zombies.
I hope there is some. I want there to be as many zombies as possable. I would also thin they should add janitor zombies in the bathrooms and broom closets.
No janitor zombies in HL1 = No janitor zombie in BMS
More like, no janitors in HL1 = no janitor zombies…
They are adding some more zombie skins for guards/soldiers, but apart from that guy you see driving the forklift during the tram-ride, we don’t see anyone close to a janitor in HL1.
With a facility like black mesa who would clean the place. Even though Hl had no janitors it would make perfect sense to have one in the facility. I would want the devs to concider the idea.
“Sliding?” We’ve been in the “realms of ridiculous arguments” ever since you stated as fact that a fictional creature that adapted to live on earth, from an alternate dimension, couldn’t possibly also adapt to live underwater.
FYI, real barnacles can survive above water indefinitely in addition to primarily living underwater.
Jesus Christ. Okay, let’s break this down into simple english.
- The barnacles that exist in Black Mesa have come from Xen. They haven’t adapted to Earth’s atmosphere because there hasn’t been time to adapt. You have to conclude that Earth’s atmosphere is pretty much the same as Xen’s within reasonable limits. You seem to be saying that within the time frame of an hour or so for the Xen creatures to come to Earth, they somehow completely changed their physiological structure to somehow breathe underwater?
- I have never said that barnacles wouldn’t be able to adapt to live underwater. My point was that having a barnacle live underwater would constitute a new creature.
- It would be a new creature because of the continuity of Half-Life. For the third time already - it’s a great idea - but because Black Mesa comes before Half-Life 2 and its episodes and because we haven’t seen any underwater barnacles, it would upset the continuity.
From whichever angle you look at it from - a biological one or a developer one - an underwater barnacle would be a new creature. It would not only have to undergo incredible physical changes to survive underwater, but also AI changes. Both constitute a different species to the existing barnacle. Christ, I’ve just repeated what I’ve already said about five times now.
I think we’re coming at this from two very different angles and not finding the middle ground. You don’t seem to be at all concerned with the whole continuity of Half-Life and, quite reasonably, are saying that there’s no reason that barnacles couldn’t have evolved to survive both above ground and underwater. Fair enough - I agree with that. However, I am concerned with the continuity of the HL series, and so are the developers apparently. They’re not introducing creatures from HL2 or beta creatures because they don’t appear in Half-Life. It’s really as simple as that. You can take that or leave it to be honest.
There is no evidence that they would NEED to change their physiological structure to survive underwater… No one know if it breathes, what it needs to live, or whatever. They are fucking aliens, they could rely on feng-shui energy, for all we know. More realistically, there’s no reason why it could not survive underwater, as plenty of animals on our planet are able to absorb oxygen from their environment, on land or in water.
So why can’t we see them underwater in HL2 and episodes Darwin ?
That’s because they apparently can’t.
Seriously stop bothering about that : if valve wanted barnacles subaquatic, they would have did it already or said something about it.
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I hate “QFT” posts, but, really, this.
For the last time - where are the underwater barnacles in Half-Life 2? It might be possible - its a science fiction game after all - but there’s absolutely no evidence for it. You have yet to deal with the issue of being a new creature and the continuity issue.
Oh and QFT.
I’m not arguing about continuity or the necessity for slightly different behavior. I’m just saying there is no evidence that they cannot be underwater, biologically speaking… the reason why they are not underwater in HL2 could be because it was too much of a hassle to make their tongues work right.
I’m not expecting barnacles underwater in BM, I’m not bothered by this either… I’m just saying the argument that “they can’t live underwater” is pure speculation, and it’s just as valid to speculate that “they can live underwater”.
^ It’s pretty tenuous speculation though isn’t it? Don’t get me wrong however - you can speculate all you like about barnacles adapting to live underwater an I won’t stop you - I’d probably join in, but the original argument was whether an underwater barnacle would amount to a new creature. In the Half-Life universe, they wouldn’t - because both you and mattemuse are, quite reasonably, saying that barnacles could easily evolve to live both above ground and below water like Earth’s barnacles and I agree with that.
However, in a strictly canonical sense, they would have to be a new creature because Valve’s games (and what Black Mesa is trying to recreate) is law. Black Mesa has set its own guidelines - they’re not trying to alter it, but rather to pay homage to it, and including a new species of barnacle would upset the continuity of that, since they aren’t seen living underwater in any other game.
I never said that barnacles wouldn’t be able to adapt to live underwater in the Half-Life universe though. I’ve said that four times now. And it’s not really speculation when the proof that they can’t live underwater (in the canonical universe) is that they’re not seen living underwater in any of the games.
Of course you agree with that, because you just made it up. That isn’t actually what we are saying.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence 
In other words, your opinion about why Valve didn’t place any barnacles underwater in Halflife is, wait for it, speculation.
Now stop trying to pass off your speculation as fact so that this boring discussion can end.
edit: at the guy below me, can he even read or understand the english language? His posts are gibberish and have nothing to do with anything thats been said in this thread. Criticize Floyd for his speculation? I’m criticizing him for stating his speculation as fact!
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So you criticize Floyd for his speculation (because no real proof exist, even at valve who don’t think about that) and you made your opinion more valuable by quoting someone else speculation ?
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STFO before anybody else.
It is a boring discussion. All I wanted to say was that they should have them in episode 3
There’s no point in having underwater barnacles they would just drown end of story.
Oh, god no. That’s exactly what started the last 3 pages of bitching.