Teleportation: SF or Fact

[Fnoigy]

Does that quote basically mean something like “Centrifugal force isn’t a real force on its own, but for the most part treating it like one works just fine.”?

[Comrade_Tiki]

Yep, that and the fact Euclidean space doesn’t specifically reference time dilation. With Minowski space specifying that “time is the fourth dimension”, it means the faster you move according to the first three Euclidean dimensions, the slower you move through time (assuming we’re all going steady at the speed of light through all of them).

Interesting you should draw that observation, though, since a form of centrifugal force would be the only thing allowing us to enter a fourth Euclidean dimension.

[Orpheon]

we just need to contact a creature that lives in a higher dimension and have them teleport us everywhere. failing that, start drinking worm juice

also quantum entanglement is the most secure form of data transmission

[Pyroclase]

@GothicFighter

Could be old news, but found it some time ago, and decided to share. Some would find it interesting.
Small note: The article make extensive use of quantum mechanics.

1. Source: China claims record in quantum cat state.
2. Source: Quantum teleportation achieved over 16 km.

And, the reference to the article itself:
3. Quantum entanglement and quantum nonlocality for N-photon entangled states.

Regards.

Entanglement is only possible with individual particles, so you can’t, say, teleport a kitten. It’s not possible in our universe. Now, if you had another dimension where it did work, you could perhaps work through there, where it is possible. Xen, perhaps?

Edit: Meh, I didn’t expect you guys to be smarter than the OP. My bad.

Also, as for the idea that time is not the fourth dimension, it is AFAIK, but it also can be used as an alternative way to travel through space. Of course I could just be an idiot.

Also, I prefer wormholes. They’re actually a lot more practical than entanglement, needing only an insane amount of energy (dark energy for instance would work), and with the added bonus of being possible on a larger scale. Plus, if I understand right, entanglement would actually copy you.

[bur]

@Pyro

if I understand right

you do not

[Pyroclase]

Well, entanglement is changing one particle to match another, right? It doesn’t destroy the original object.

[sersoft]

entanglement is like a particle stretched across space so that when you modify it on one side you can see the result on the other side almost instantaneously regardless of distance

[Pyroclase]

…Which isn’t really what you want to do to a person. I think… Maybe not…

Edit: God stop under-explaining it. I’m not getting the whole concept here.

[Fnoigy]

I’m gonna punch you in YOUR wormhole!

[bur]

@Pyro

…Which isn’t really what you want to do to a person. I think… Maybe not…

Edit: God stop under-explaining it. I’m not getting the whole concept here.

bscly entangling two particles means ‘connecting’ them in some quantum way that isn’t yet fully understood, which causes one particle to undergo the same changes as the other instantly

[blastedt]

@Fnoigy

This is pretty much it. This is not teleportation in the classic sense, but rather two objects are “entangled”, and will always instantly match up with the other, so you’re kinda “teleporting” . . . physics or some silly thing like that. It’d be more useful for data transmission since you wouldn’t have to broadcast anything through radiant energy or conducted through wire, but rather by manipulating a particle that’s entangled with another, near-instant data transmission.

Also, humans could very well be written in binary, in many different ways, depending on what you wanted to accomplish.
If you were doing byte stuffing, i.e. just trying to cram all our data into as small a string of computer language as possible, a human would be around 800MB, not including any data required to HANDLE the human blueprints.

If you actually want to simulate the code’s function with efficiency and accuracy, or save space, you’ll need to add extra information for indexing, shorthand data representing unnecessary repetition, and even MORE code before it all to actually guide the functions. Or, you could recreate the relative function of the actual genetic machinery, but that would probably take EVEN MORE time, since you’d have to design very complex molecular simulations to account for all the big and little details that happen while all the countless different parts and scraps and machines work on, with, and around the DNA.

So basically it’s an ansible from Ender’s Game?

[Pyroclase]

@Fnoigy

I’m gonna punch you in YOUR wormhole!

That’s what she said.

But on topic, what the hell is an “ansible”? And who’s Ender?

[Fnoigy]

Ender is the main character of Ender’s Game, a good book, though I haven’t read it in years. I don’t remember what ansible is. It may be the crazy telepathic ant aliens.

[Flatline]

@Pyro

That’s what she said.

But on topic, what the hell is an “ansible”? And who’s Ender?

Ansible is a MacGuffin that is capable of superluminal communication.

[BahamutBBob]

BioWare basically copied the Ansible from the Ender series for Mass Effect 2. The comm room on the Normandy has a direct link to TIM.

[DrGonzo]

I thought Cthullu was from Euclidian Space and it sends humans mad?

Even if does eventually become possible to teleport people. How do we know that whatever makes up a person’s conciousness gets teleported? For example, in Star Trek, do they actually teleport or do they die and a copy of them is created?

@Pyro

This is a great video explaining about dimensions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA

[Flatline]

@DrGonzo

I thought Cthullu was from Euclidian Space and it sends humans mad?

Even if does eventually become possible to teleport people. How do we know that whatever makes up a person’s conciousness gets teleported? For example, in Star Trek, do they actually teleport or do they die and a copy of them is created?

Star Trek teleportation “works” by scanning the body and creating a ‘pattern’ of the person which is then placed in the pattern buffer. It’s this pattern which is teleported to the destination where the person is reconstituted from the pattern. The original person is, as you suspect, destroyed. It’s a horrific thought when you stop to think about it but that’s generally glossed over unless it’s important for story drama when something goes wrong.

Of course, it goes without saying that that’s entirely fiction and wouldn’t remotely work in real life, I was just answering the question. Consider trying to ‘scan’ 7 * 10^27 atoms and transmitting that amount of information.

[Orpheon]

@Flatline

Star Trek teleportation “works” by scanning the body and creating a ‘pattern’ of the person which is then placed in the pattern buffer. It’s this pattern which is teleported to the destination where the person is reconstituted from the pattern. The original person is, as you suspect, destroyed. It’s a horrific thought when you stop to think about it but that’s generally glossed over unless it’s important for story drama when something goes wrong.

Of course, it goes without saying that that’s entirely fiction and wouldn’t remotely work in real life, I was just answering the question. Consider trying to ‘scan’ 7 * 10^27 atoms and transmitting that amount of information.

I have thought about this before and it’s a pretty scary thought. Admittedly, no one is certain how consciousness works or what it is tied to, but I believe it is most likely tied to the physical matter making up your brain. If that is so, those kinds of ‘fax’ transporters would kill anyone who enters and create a new person who acts exactly like the original; a clone. But there’s no way to find out for sure, because the person who comes out the other side would always say it was still him because whether he was the original consciousness or a clone, he’d believe he was the original. The only way to ever know would be to do it yourself and see if you come out the other side. :retard:

In any case, one thing’s for certain - I’m not ever using a transporter unless I know exactly how it works and I know it’s transporting my original matter and not making a copy.

[Pyroclase]

@Orpheon

I have thought about this before and it’s a pretty scary thought. Admittedly, no one is certain how consciousness works or what it is tied to, but I believe it is most likely tied to the physical matter making up your brain. If that is so, those kinds of ‘fax’ transporters would kill anyone who enters and create a new person who acts exactly like the original; a clone. But there’s no way to find out for sure, because the person who comes out the other side would always say it was still him because whether he was the original consciousness or a clone, he’d believe he was the original. The only way to ever know would be to do it yourself and see if you come out the other side. :retard:

In any case, one thing’s for certain - I’m not ever using a transporter unless I know exactly how it works and I know it’s transporting my original matter and not making a copy.

Totally.