I agree, social security was never intended to be the sole source of income for retirees. Saving or investing is the smart thing to do, although I’m strongly considering pulling all my money out of my 401k before oil prices go up this summer and the fed-created free credit bubble collapses.
Turns out the guy in the link i posted is a conservatist oxy moron who thinks Obama hasn’t done anything./derail
On topic yeah, nothing to say anything else
I keep 1/3 of my money in my Roth and 1/3 in bonds. Although recently I have been adding precious metals (mostly silver, i’m not ready for the appoclypse yet) into my roth.
Where were these people during the bush presidency, when the economy was spiraling out of control, when american citizens were being spied on, when the currency was bottoming, when the paragons of morality were embroiled in sex scandals and the american federal government was the largest it has ever been? these people supported GWB. Now, his “side” lost we have a black man elected president and now the tea party (baggers) feel the need to “take our country back”. From whom, big government like bush or racial minorities like out president?
Just replace “tea partiers” with what they are in reality, Republican voters mobilized by the national Republican political machine, and the answer becomes obvious.
Democrats, obviously.
There were conservatives who were complaining about all of those things from 2001 - 2008, they are called libertarians. Libertarians is what fox news and the tea partiers are pretending to be.
I thought tea partiers were pretending to be republicans.
No, they’re republicans who feel butthurt enough about obama that they feel the need to “act out”
The way I saw it there were a bunch of different conservative groups at the beginning. We had normal republicans, Austrian school fiscal conservatives, social liberals, libertarians, anarcho capitalists and the fox news war hawk social conservatives at these tea parties. Then Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity started funding and advertising tea parties. The fox news crowd co opted it around tax day 2009. Everyone else went back to the obscurity they occupied before and the republican party and fox news continue to preach to the choir and try to rebrand themselves as super patriots.
Those are conservatists. They hate republicans as well. As well as basicly anything to do with the government and they always want the easy way out, and when it bites them in the butt they’re gonna act like a victim.
EDIT: Aimed towards Ballsopt.
Pretending not to be republicans, that’s kind of the point. After Bush Jr, being a republican wasn’t politically viable, so the GOP needed a way to re-brand themselves in order to convince people to vote for them. That’s what the tea party movement is.
Ooohhhh, now I get it. Thanks for explaining.
That’s one theory, but really they’re just pissed off republicans looking to pick a political fight. Some of them are just kids who didn’t have strong political standings and want a reason to protest. they’d probably be the same ones who picketed W
No, we all know they’re republicans. Only they are pretending not to be…badly.
Speaking as someone who actually attended one of the first rallies for the Tea Parties, my two cents is that the reason everyone’s hating on the party is because the GOP has thrown too many of their biggest names in with the party. It’s not supposed to be a extension of the Republicans, because when you think about it the GOP screwed us over just as much as the Democrats.
Earlier in the thread, I noted that someone posted that the founding fathers would roll in their graves at what’s being done in their name. The same applies to both pollitical parties, really. The baseline American, someone who isn’t a party activist, someone who values their country and their freedoms, are the core of the Tea Party movement. Or at least, they used to be. As they say, “absolute power corrupts absolutely,” and I’m guessing that the tea party will wind up being corrupted from the top down, and as a result there will be no true voice for middle America as a whole.
CatzEyes, I’m with you on this one. The Tea Party’s been on the receiving end of a huge amount of unjustified bile lately. We can hope that the Republicans will field a decent candidate in 2012, but that’s less likely than the Mayan apocalypse theory becoming a reality. I guess my take on the controversy is that we all lost something when the Tea Party movement got derailed.
But before you call the tea party racist, a “no one is illegal” rally actually moved through our group, as if they were trying to pick a fight. Thankfully there was no conflagration, because we all kept our heads. Plus, there were forty cops in riot gear standing across the street and getting into a riot in front of Barbra Simpson (the radio talk show host, she spoke at the rally) would have made the whole movement look bad.
But as some prior picture postings indicated, there are plenty of idiots affiliated with the movement that will do that for me.
Point being, this is a truly depressing time to be a center right voter.
I’m curious Kenny, when and where was the “one of the first tea party rallies” that you attended? Because when you say it isn’t “a extension of the Republicans,” you have to understand that the rallies themselves were kickstarted by GOP operatives and then organized from the start by a PAC headed by a former GOP Majority Leader. The only tea party rallies that were not connected to the GOP establishment were the pro-Ron Paul rallies during the election, and I’m not 100% they were even physical rallies rather than online fundraising.
Tax day 09, if I remember correctly. It didn’t get covered by Fox News, they were at other ones. So you could say I was in during the transition from “niche but honest” to “mass market and potentially corrupt.”
what’s GOP?
The thing is, the “tax day tea party” thing in 09 was the beginning of the astroturf rallies. They were organized by GOP political machinery as I’ve described earlier in this thread. Sure, with the anti-health-care rallies this year, FOX and Republican officeholders got directly involved, but they were only taking advantage of a movement which was created in '09 by GOP funding for that purpose.
Edit to my previous- My particular rally wasn’t on Fox, I did see a CBS truck nearby though. Not sure if they deemed us newsworthy.