stibe, sounds like you yourself have been the butt of a joke. Where did you start getting sucked into all this noise.
this
not to completely sweep all conspiracies under the rug, however. I have my own pocketful of convoluted conspiracies i find truth in. But it starts with the people you interact with on a daily basis, and which of them might be fucking around with you.
so either you did not check my links and do the research or you must be dumb to say that there is no evidence. My advice is: you better get informed about it at least.
Even if it eventually freaks you out as well
If you look at a documentary film about it you will actually see the people involved talking about it. I know that the illuminati were ALWAYS secret upon a few moths ago. I know i know. It just sounds to fucking crazy to be true, even if there is a whole lot of interviews, statements etc.
Guess i’ll just have to wait and see. I know I sound like a maniac.
I have seen the links before from about 5 different people.
Nothing in those videos is evidence. Basically it’s just people crying “Omg they are rich and I’m not, they must be out to get me!” Not really evidence or anything of interesting.
And pass the hot dogs, I haven’et had one in awhile.
I’ve read into it in the past. And while certain things may be true, that doesn’t mean they lead to a Doomsday type goal.
Ultimately, it’s white christian type guys trying to hold onto power and control. There is no endgame. You could say they already control everything in the world, but not in a Comic book villain sense, but monetary.
as for subliminal advertising and trend settings, well, above controlling a certain image mostly it’s just about getting people to be insecure and distracted and spending money money money
Stibe, the only thing that freaks me out is people as paranoid as you - Now you are saying that folks who do not buy into this crap are dumb…
Well Stibe, I know that there are some very intelligent folks who have responded to you.
Funny how you say we are dumb for not buying in, while you have not said jack about the checks and balances mentioned - Predictive patterns - What if you die before the dooms day happens - and so forth? You are willing ot waste/spend your life on this crap? And you call us dumb? Really?
Brother - I have looked at a lot of this supposed evidence (Much to my shame) and surprise surprise, I have looked at other evidence for other end time dooms day things - It sure seemed real at the time - but guess what - NODDA.
Just because someone smiles at you, it does not mean they are your friend - and just because someone cusses you out, it does not mean they are your enemy.
For the love of reason brother, have a beer and chill out round the campfire - plenty of Dogs and rolls to go around. (Where is Ibenz - I will grab my Ovation, and we can have a sing song.
cause we’ve already got a thread for that. :what:
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Wait a tick…
I’ve seen these two before - Weren’t they part of a plot to bring down the Finland government using hotdogs tainted with high end Viagra?
Or something like that… ?
I’m not gonna spend my time arguing about if it’s true or not. I can only say the recently released information really convinced me, and I’m usually a sceptic type of guy too.
Of course you’ll find me paranoid, looks like somehow everybody does now.
Now let me set this clear: After seeing the first really long film over this I also could not get it. I mean I knew it was probably true. But it was just to much for me to take or understand. It bugged me out for days, wasnt able to sleep etc.
I don’t feel like searching trough all the sites now but a member of the cult wrote himself.
" a society so big and evil that it’s existence cannot be believed in "
or so
I don’t want to convince you of this. But i must say you better look at the NEW evidence that popped out of the internet these days. Sure, some of the videos on YouTube look like they made them up theirself only to make terror. But there are also some very serious, indipendent documentaries.
I highly recomend this one: https://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1309913
It really goes trough all the aspects. Listen to the man. He doesn’t seem to be a paranoid fool don’t you think?
More conspiracy theories? I’M GETTING THE HELL OUTA HERE! :fffuuu:
Brother, I am not really wanting to look at this - not because I am trying ot hack you, but because of the bigger picture.
PREDICTIVE PATTERNS
New evideice? What of the old “New” evidence for the previous dooms day? Or the New evidence for the one before that? Or the NEW evidence for the one before that? Follow?
Tell you what, I will have a look, but I am not promising to watch all the way through - Ok? I am not tryign to burn you Stibe, but a person has to look at a bigger picture.
Ok, Let’s see what the study of body language, voice, face, and general psyche can determine…
At first I thought this thread was about the band that formed from the rest of joy division then I realized that was just new order.
OK I see.
You don’t want to look and learn, but you want to chat. Then use this thread for senseless chatter.
It’s also part of the subject: We can’t see because most of us are just plain ignorant.
I must excuse I didn’t even read your post to the end before answering 
Hope you’ll find it interessting.
Afraid so Fancy… Sorry.
Stibe - The vidio would not play. but interestingly enough, the fist thing I see on the site, is “911 was an inside job” Regardless, let’s see what we can find on the author of this crap-storm-sweepstakes.
From Wiki
David Vaughan Icke (pronounced /aɪk/; born April 29, 1952) is an English writer and public speaker who since 1990 has devoted himself to researching what he calls “who and what is really controlling the world.”[1] Describing himself as the most controversial speaker and author in the world, he has written 16 books explaining his views, dubbed “New Age conspiracism,” and has attracted a substantial following across the political spectrum.[2] His 533-page The Biggest Secret (1999) has been called the conspiracy theorist’s Rosetta Stone.[3]
Me: So, buddy has made a name for himself by being contraversial, but not for having the best evidence to back up his claims - Let’s continue
Icke was a well-known BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party when, in 1990, he had an encounter with a psychic who told him he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose.[4] In April 1991, he announced on the BBC’s Terry Wogan show that he was the son of God and predicted that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes.[5] The show changed his life, turning him practically overnight from a respected household name into an object of ridicule.[6]
WTF Stibe - Serioulsy? And you are taking this moron as a credible source? As was mentioned - a PREDICTIVE PATTERN - He is claiming to be the son of GOD? He looks and sound more like the son of an opium addict… THINK MAN THINK!!!
He continued nevertheless to develop his ideas, and in four books published over seven years—The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), And the Truth Shall Set You Free (1995), The Biggest Secret (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001)—set out a moral and political worldview that combines New-Age spiritualism with a passionate denunciation of what he sees as totalitarian trends in the modern world. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.[7]
Nough said. For the love of reason Stibe - PLEASE, in the future, subject these sorts of things to a bit of reasonable critism.
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Hey, you are from Switzerland - I would love to come over a visit your country sometimes. I would love to visit the Alps. Einstien would spend lots of time in teh Alps just enjoying nature and thinking. You are very fortunate to live there. It must be beautiful. I want to bike around Lake Lucerne with my camera. My L-series lenses would love to drink in all they could see and take pictures of.
lol man. firstly it is his newest work, released not long ago
second: i told you i won’t argue, do what you like
btw: yes switzerland isse very nice, good infrastructure and nice health care
looks like today i somehow am not able to make correct postings
WTF i just don’t get why they call them reptiles again? i’m pretty sure this word didn’t fall one time in this 4 hours. anyone could have wrote that wiki.
i’m done
Ok, people, time for a math class now? 
Have you ever heard of the Bible code? It is a pattern found in the original texts of the Bible that allegedly reveals hidden, prophetic, shocking messages within the Bible.
The problem is even in a completely random message you might find a rather simple pattern that makes it meaningful. It does not mean that the person who produced the text meant to hide that message, it is just pure coincidence. The pattern in the Bible was looked for, “cooked”, so at some point the person looking for something meaningful would find it.
Have you seen the movie “A Beautiful Mind”? It is based on the real life of a mathematician named John Nash that became schizophrenic finding hidden messages in newspapers and magazines.
It is very natural for people to find a pattern where there is no pattern. That is why so many people still keep trying different strategies to play chance games, like lottery. Except if you count cards or know the algorithm that creates the random numbers that are used in a machine, all strategies have the same chance of winning.
A bunch of people who has nothing to do with their lives just keep collecting pieces from Contemporary History or whatever and keep trying to join them. Eventually they find a single explanation for a great amount of facts, but actually it is just a bunch of facts where each one have its own explanation.
There are a great deal of examples with this regard in the TV Show Numb3rs, if you are interested.
Now chill out, sit down, eat pizza or a hot dog and drink beer.
Do we have soft drinks?
Late for this but…
June 24th’s my birthday O_o
btw, hot dogs and vodka please.
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On a more thread-like note, @stibe, I’ve seen those kind of conspiracys before on youtube. While what the people were saying was damn persuasive, it didn’t take long to find the bullshit in the consipracy theory as well as most other conspiracys. I watched like half of a thing on youtube 3 months ago about the NWO, and I found it complete bullshit.
Well, newest or not, his history is such that his Mode of opperation is pretty much set…
Claims he is the son of God
Accuses famous folks of rediculous things
Into New age Spiritualism (Which for the most part is harmless, but none the less, not requiring evidence as a condition of acceptance, merely perosnal experience, which cannot be trusted - Therefore, worth conisdering if nothing else, as suspect)
Let’s see - Patterns -
The dooms day sayer will usually claim an in with God, or some sort of High authority as a means of vailidating whatever claim (And to intimidate the listener) they have.
They will make a LARGE claim that is never proved correct (What was that buddy was saying about Tidal waves and stuff?)
They draw people who do NOT subject their claims to any criteria other than on their “WORD” or, on clever sounding crap, but again… no real evidence. The followers, are usually somehwat paranoid, OR they are looking for a means of importance by knowing some secret evidence…
Shall we continue? No doubt I left a lot of stuff out - However, this horse is pretty much dead - no sense flogging it much more.
Brother, you will not argue why? I am not meaning in the shallow sense of let’s see who is right or wrong - There is not need for either of us to be justified by are position regardless of what it is - the NEED IS to see PATTERNS, and to try and look at things like this (or other things) with a bit of reasonable scrutiny.
I am not dis’n you because I think this is crap… And you should not ignore my concerns because you think this fellow has something worth hearing…
We both do well (regardless of what our veiws are) to consider what is the best way to frame this topic… Is this man worth listening to? Does he fit a familiar pattern? What evidence DOES he present - Not, how plausible, or good/inviting/scary does he make it sound…
Stibe said: "anyone could have wrote that wiki. " true, but anyone did not. If something is found to be false, it is changed - You obviously want to believe this regardless of the evidence against it - fill your boots
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Yes, of course there are soft drinks… What’s your pleasure?
Another hot dog and Vodka on the way.
I think I may have some Smokies and Bratts too…
ITT: Paranoids.
Truth, lets get outta here before it is cast into massdebating[/SIZE] hell.
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